Mongol invasion of old Russia 1237-1238

[Sarmatian]

According to UN statistics, Russia is:
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And your point is...? How does all that relates to the topic of Mongols influencing Russian governing system?

[Melki]

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it will still remains nonsense anyway.

Many historians think like me. Ukraine's fate was to lead Eastern Europe.

[Böri]

You contradicting yourself. But given your ignorance it's expected.

When you talking about Turkic people you appealing to earliest linguistic evidence of their culture. When it's about Slavs you talking about state formation in its modernist shape. Those are two very different and totally incomparable categories. It's cheap manipulation that might work on some people as ignorant as yourself. Snap it, you might even sincerely believing it. Sure ignorance is blessing, allows you to feel great and significant with no basis behind such claim.

Dont act like you don't understand, I am talking about 2 different aspects first developing script, second becoming state. Slavs caught civilised world very late in both aspects. Missing most of Middle Ages which is most important period in history of peoples like Turks or Western Ethniks of Europa. This is how I come to conclusions that this is reason why Slavs care relatively lesser than other folks for history and ready to forsake (Revolution!).

[Pahli]

Dont act like you don't understand, I am talking about 2 different aspects first developing script, second becoming state. Slavs caught civilised world very late in both aspects. Missing most of Middle Ages which is most important period in history of peoples like Turks or Western Ethniks of Europa. This is how I come to conclusions that this is reason why Slavs care relatively lesser than other folks for history and ready to forsake (Revolution!).

Wait what? What "civilization" did Turkic people have? None, they established their own quite late compared to the rest of the world, just running around with horses and shooting arrows

Topkek for making up fake Celtic ancestry

[Babak]

lmao at turko-celt

[Babak]

Yeah it was Turkic rulers of Iran who beheaded Gengish Khan envoy and made him crazy. Sadly it's Persians and Central Asian Iranics which paid terrible price. He massacred many Turks but Mongols were still more forgiving with Turks compared with Iranians and Arabs. The massacre of east Iranics and Persians were like a genocide sadly. Khwarezmian Turcoman rulers of Iran simply fled as Gengis was moving forward. Historians say Iran recovered demographically only in 19th century and reach its 13th century population prior to genocide.

bunch of smelly shit. Many turkic tribes were fucked when he moved into central asia especially the main army of the Khwarezmian(who were of turkic origin). He didn't give a fuck about ethnicity and he didn't "favor" a tribe over another you fuck stick. And what historian? You mean a owd kartivelian speaking tork? It was the main population in central asia(Samarkhand and Bukhara). Theres a reason why many Uzbeks are R1a and thats mainly due to a Bottle-neck effect.

[Ülev]

[Not a Cop]

Many historians think like me. Ukraine's fate was to lead Eastern Europe.

You do understand that even in name Ukraine is just an extension of Russia? Even if instead of NE principalities of Russia Kievian and surrounding area became dominant county would've still been named Russia with all the following?

[Melki]

You do understand that even in name Ukraine is just an extension of Russia? Even if instead of NE principalities of Russia Kievian and surrounding area became dominant county would've still been named Russia with all the following?

If I'm not wrong, "Krai" means something like "border" in Russian, and under Catherine the Great, Ukraine was called the Lesser Russia. My theory is that wasn't it for the Mongol invasion, Ukraine would have been the Greater Russia. But that's just my opinion, shared with other people.

[Not a Cop]

If I'm not wrong, "Krai" means something like "border" in Russian, and under Catherine the Great, Ukraine was called the Lesser Russia. My theory is that wasn't it for the Mongol invasion, Ukraine would have been the Greater Russia. But that's just my opinion, shared with other people.

Well, it's certainly a possibility, though most likely Russia would've look different, since mongol invsion was the main reason for separation of West-Rus' lands into hands of PLC.