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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    developped countries tend to neglect sports.simply because they have other stuff they can be proud of.
    Not true at all imo. Where did you get this from?

    Sports are quite big thing in USA for instance, and poorer country like India doesn't invest much in sports(look at their medal number at olympics)

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    It should be noted that not one team who has gone to win the Premier league/ Champions League title , has won the whole without without an English spine. The myth of British players not getting their fair chance in the league due to foreign influx has been debunked already.

    Manchester United- Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Keane, Ferdinand, Carrick, Andy Cole
    Chelsea- Lampard, Terry, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole
    Arsenal- Seaman, Adams, Ashley Cole, Campbell, Parlour, Wright
    Liverpool- Carrager, Mcmanaman, Gerrard, Owen,

    Hell, if I am not mistaken majority of the players who were part of the title winning team for Leicester were also British nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadefire View Post
    It should be noted that not one team who has gone to win the Premier league/ Champions League title , has won the whole without without an English spine. The myth of British players not getting their fair chance in the league due to foreign influx has been debunked already.

    Manchester United- Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Keane, Ferdinand, Carrick, Andy Cole
    Chelsea- Lampard, Terry, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole
    Arsenal- Seaman, Adams, Ashley Cole, Campbell, Parlour, Wright
    Liverpool- Carrager, Mcmanaman, Gerrard, Owen,

    Hell, if I am not mistaken majority of the players who were part of the title winning team for Leicester were also British nationals.
    This are teams of the past when Premiership wasn't as powerful financially as today, and in that era they had very strong national team. Leicester is one in 50 years exceptions, anyone who follows football know what I wrote is true.
    But in last few years there have been made efforts to reform their academy system.
    Old 2009 article when crisis was evident:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ague-academies
    ''Clubs leave lost youth behind as academies fail English talent''

    There are many similar articles available on the internet.

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    Basketball also was invented by a white person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    This are teams of the past when Premiership wasn't as powerful financially as today, and in that era they had very strong national team. Leicester is one in 50 years exceptions, anyone who follows football know what I wrote is true.
    But in last few years there have been made efforts to reform their academy system.
    Old 2009 article when crisis was evident:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ague-academies
    ''Clubs leave lost youth behind as academies fail English talent''

    There are many similar articles available on the internet.
    I would have to disagree with you and the article of course. If you look at the main teams in England, I would say that the english players are well represented. At the end of the say , PL is also a business, and people pay to watch a good show.

    Look at teams like PSG, Barca, Real ... they are doing the same thing too you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadefire View Post
    I would have to disagree with you and the article of course. If you look at the main teams in England, I would say that the english players are well represented. At the end of the say , PL is also a business, and people pay to watch a good show.

    Look at teams like PSG, Barca, Real ... they are doing the same thing too you know.
    It's improving but at slow rate. English clubs are often foreign owned (impossible in Germany for example) and their owners only care for profit, not clossenes with community and wish to have local talents too.
    Spanish and French league (and especially the Dutch or Portugese) are much better for young players than English is. Most of Barcelona players are their academy products. Real sucks at this, but Real is exception (and their talented players often suceed elswhere like Morata in Juventus).
    PSG.....another sheik owned club, more similr to English teams than others in French league.

    Athletic Billbao always played with home-grown players, Valencia too, many other smaller Spanish teams, in England even worst teams are full with foreigners. Because they can afford them, it's much easier to buy a foreigner than grown own young player. This money-based approch is exact reason of national team crisis (even though England has some talented young players in new generation)

    One exception in England that should be mentioned is Southampthon, which always had great academy. But most of others....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimage View Post
    what a bs
    Why would you say this?

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    For football:

    - the top teams are full of foreigners
    - the premier league isn't as good as it used to be. It's entertaining but its top teams are a level below the top teams in europe at the moment.
    - a general lack of talented players. Who is the best english player at the moment? A decaying Rooney?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    England can play as the UK, we can play as Scotland. No Scot would make a UK team as none are good enough and it would deny Scots the chance to play international football.
    As Viratio suggested, there could be player quotas (fairly proportional to population sizes) to ensure each part of the UK is represented. Maybe a UK team for the World Cup and four nations for the European Championship would be a good compromise.
    Last edited by Neon Knight; 06-23-2017 at 10:31 PM.

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