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    Are Gascons ethnic French or a separate ethnic group. I thought all Langue d'oc people are French, but the French language wikipedia describes them as an ethnic group.

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    They are Romance-speaking Basques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    They are Romance-speaking Basques.
    More like Romanized Aquitanians mixed with Basques.

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    Well they are Occitan speakers and they are Southern French, so I answered my own question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie Bunker View Post
    More like Romanized Aquitanians mixed with Basques.
    The language spoken in Gascony before Roman rule was part of the Basque dialectal continuum; the fact that the word "Gascon" comes from the Latin root vasco/vasconem, which is the same root that gives us "Basque", implies that the speakers identified themselves at some point as Basque. There is a proven Basque substrate in the development of Gascon. The lack of initial /r/ in Gascon could arguably be due to a Basque influence but this issue is under-researched, a typically Gascon feature that may arise from this substrate is the change from "f" to "h". Where a word originally began with [f] in Latin, such as festa 'party/feast', this sound was weakened to aspirated [h] and then, in some areas, lost altogether; according to the substrate theory, this is due to the Basque dialects' lack of an equivalent /f/ phoneme. At the time of the Roman conquest, Julius Caesar, who defeated them in his campaign in Gaul, describes them as making up a distinct part of Gaul: "the river Garonne separates the Gauls from the Aquitani".

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    The Basque-speaking area was far more extended when Julius Caesar conquered the Gauls, and covered all Gascony...and much of Spain, since ancient Iberian was probably closely related to Basque.

    Basco-Iberian toponyms include: Auch (Elimberrum, Eliberris, Gers), Lombez (Ilumberris, Gers), Irunberri / Lumbier (Navarra), Lombers (Tarn), Elna / Elne (Illiberri), Elvira (Iliberri), Granada (Illiberis; Andalusia)…

    Illiberri means "new town" in Basque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melki View Post
    The Basque-speaking area was far more extended when Julius Caesar conquered the Gauls, and covered all Gascony...and much of Spain, since ancient Iberian was probably closely related to Basque.

    Basco-Iberian toponyms include: Auch (Elimberrum, Eliberris, Gers), Lombez (Ilumberris, Gers), Irunberri / Lumbier (Navarra), Lombers (Tarn), Elna / Elne (Illiberri), Elvira (Iliberri), Granada (Illiberis; Andalusia)…

    Illiberri means "new town" in Basque.
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    Basques expanded in Gascony during Early Middle Ages and were later assimilated by the indigenous Romanized Aquitanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie Bunker View Post
    Basques expanded in Gascony during Early Middle Ages and were later assimilated by the indigenous Romanized Aquitanians.
    They were probably the indigenous inhabitants of those areas, and they gradually retreated on the Pyrenees after the barbarian invasions


    (The language situation in Europe around 5500BC. IE = Indo-European languages, Bs = Basque languages, SU = Ugric languages)



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    Basque Tribes during Roman age

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    I just googled for more info, because I know Gascons just as characters from literature:
    d'Artagnan and Cyrano de Bergerac

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