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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl
    Estonia was very social democratic before WW2
    Nothing to be proud of to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Well, Estonia perhaps needs to shrug off the Soviet past and move on - back to where they once were.
    Socialism wouldn't work here anymore, the immigrant population is too large. I would be a supporter of socialism in a homogeneous country. But currently I am a strong supporter of the right-wing conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasz View Post
    Nothing to be proud of to be honest.
    Well, in those circumstances it worked. I see no harm in taking away the land of the rich Baltic-Germans who ruled us for centuries and giving it back to the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Socialism wouldn't work here anymore, the immigrant population is too large. I would be a supporter of socialism in a homogeneous country.
    Uhm, Estonia is fortunate enough to have very few non-European immigrants. The bulk of your immigrants are Russians from the Soviet era, so I can't see what the problem is. I wish the UK was in that position!
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    East and West Europe? Why do these terms even still exist? We're just Europe, I use such terms in a geographical sense only.
    Lumping nations together as "Eastern" or "Western" European is rubbish in this day and age, none of them are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Uhm, Estonia is fortunate enough to have very few non-European immigrants. The bulk of your immigrants are Russians from the Soviet era, so I can't see what the problem is.
    That's the main reason why we cannot understand each other. The possible extinction of Estonians is a big problem for me. But looks like it isn't for some people on a Cultural & Ethnic European Preservationist forum.

    I wish the UK was in that position!
    So, you would wish that some dictator's plan of completely eliminating the native population(s) of the UK would be half-done and still in action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Uhm, Estonia is fortunate enough to have very few non-European immigrants. The bulk of your immigrants are Russians from the Soviet era, so I can't see what the problem is. I wish the UK was in that position!
    They were the people brought in to replace and rule over the remaining Estonian population, colonists in the true sense of the word. They were imposed by a very anti-Estonian regime, their presence is no cause for jubilation, and they have been from the beginning supporters of Moscow's interests and have acted as a fifth column.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That's the main reason why we cannot understand each other. The possible extinction of Estonians is a big problem for me. But looks like it isn't for some people on a Cultural & Ethnic European Preservationist forum.
    Estonians are not going extinct anytime soon. They are a small nation, yes, but far from extinction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riippumatto View Post
    They were the people brought in to replace and rule over the remaining Estonian population, colonists in the true sense of the word. They were imposed by a very anti-Estonian regime, their presence is no cause for jubilation, and they have been from the beginning supporters of Moscow's interests and have acted as a fifth column.
    They are not in power anymore, though, and suffer from discrimination in the country they were born in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Estonians are not going extinct anytime soon. They are a small nation, yes, but far from extinction.
    Define ethnic preservation for me. Our definitions may differ...

    If 30% of the British population wouldn't be from the UK and would start assimilating into the native English/Welsh/Scottish population. Then wouldn't the result be that Brits from 1980 wouldn't recognize the Brits from 2080?

    They are not in power anymore, though, and suffer from discrimination in the country they were born in.
    Now you're making baseless claims. Russians in Estonia have more privileges and rights than any immigrant group in Western-Europe. This is not an Estonian opinion, that's the conclusion of everyone who have researched the situation here, including Brussels/EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They are not in power anymore, though, and suffer from discrimination in the country they were born in.
    Oh come on, don't tell me you buy into the victim-propaganda. Estonia has every right to be an Estonian nation-state. The Russians must adjust to that fact.
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