Women will never love you.

[Demiurge]

Demiurge why do you think that Western men are any better than your women?:

You're right. Every influential proto-feminist was male to begin with. And I very explicitly disagree with MGTOW in practice. I'm not stating, "Women are evil", or "Men are great". I'm stating the reality of the way the man-woman relationship works. The issue is that too many young men are raised without a dominant male role model who teaches them how to appropriately handle women. So they instead learn from their mothers, teachers (who are all female), and TV programs who obviously endorse the vision of the world in which a woman is perfect, and a man should do everything to earn her time. This in the long-run ends up very destructive.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

People who obsess over how women are evil or whatever don't value themselves. It's very simple. If the woman is a bitch, then don't get involved. If she's cool, then roll with it. Lets not act as if people suddenly change. All the signs that a person may eventually become a problem is always there but men ignore the signs cuz we have dicks and women ignore the signs cuz they get too emotionally attached.

[Sekarotuinen]

So women dont invest anything in relationshios huh? That's a really idiotic thing to think.

[Lessenech]

So women dont invest anything in relationshios huh? That's a really idiotic thing to think.

Strawman, what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return. Not that women don't invest time/energy/virginity/money/what have you.

Women love being loved if you get what I mean. The process of the man going out of his way to make them have fun or feeling like they're able to contribute to an already succesful person. A simple exercise to confirm that is how once they're already together, the guy is fine with just keeping the routine they have going and so long as the girl lets him be, he's not going to whinge about it. On the contrary, when appearing dull, socially unsuccesful or just losing his drive, the woman will stop feeling attracted to him.

It's very contextual though, I suppose that cultures were romance and sexual tickles isn't as praised as it is in the post-modern West might actually have longer lasting unions, but the way it works here today, tends to make it sure couples don't last. Probably because romantic marriage is a mirage really.

[Sekarotuinen]

Strawman, what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return. Not that women don't invest time/energy/virginity/money/what have you.

Women love being loved if you get what I mean. The process of the man going out of his way to make them have fun or feeling like they're able to contribute to an already succesful person. A simple exercise to confirm that is how once they're already together, the guy is fine with just keeping the routine they have going and so long as the girl lets him be, he's not going to whinge about it. On the contrary, when appearing dull, socially unsuccesful or just losing his drive, the woman will stop feeling attracted to him.

It's very contextual though, I suppose that cultures were romance and sexual tickles isn't as praised as it is in the post-modern West might actually have longer lasting unions, but the way it works here today, tends to make it sure couples don't last. Probably because romantic marriage is a mirage really.

I think both men and women appreciate feeling loved by the other partner, it is a two way street. Both should out in effort.

Yes, marriages dont last today, because of both parties. Men are more likely to cheat by a wide margin.

[Norse]

One thing is for sure, to go without love or just romantic interest from a woman is soul crushing.

Makes you bitter eh opie?

Women suddenly become a lot more virtuous when you have one interested in you.

The real problem is corruption of women. A woman gone bad is an ugly thing. Worse than men, since bad men usually know they're bad.

[Dandelion]

Demiurge why do you think that Western men are any better than your women?:

A guy from my culture who was the proto-MGTOW. This is from back in the '90s and pre-internet.
Rob Muntz offered free porn cassettes to everyone who wrote him, but little did they know that it was a trap and that he was to bring the cassette to them personally together followed by a camera team just to be broadcasted later. This loser from Ghent (Belgium), Henry, was the only one who was that dumb/clueless he even invited him in. The other (Dutch) victims earlier in the video all avoided the cameras.

https://youtu.be/xCpRW0II8Dw?t=2m40s

"Do you like porn, yourself?"
- "I sometimes go to visit the whores. Yes, I live alone..." (he's talking incoherently because he's nervous)
"And then you do that." (Rob Muntz tried to keep the conversation going and did his best to respond to his jumpy incoherence)
"You don't have a GF?"
- "Nonono. I don't want one."
"You don't want one?"
- "The most important to me is that I do what I want. It's the most important to me."
"And paying the whores a visit is your solution that you are fully independent and free, and then a nice porno tape from the VPRO (the TV channel)."
(nervously hoping he'll be left alone) - "Yes."

(The YT comments talk more about the old lady - Henry's neighbour accross - who's speaking in the strongest variant of the Ghentish dialect possible that's almost unintelligible to most Dutch speakers, which is funny in itself).

I always think about people like Henry whenever I see that acronym. In fact, did the very instant I learned about its existence. I cringe whenever I see a MGTOW comment on a right wing YT video and it getting many thumbs up to boot. I always wonder why and how a man can fall that low.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Strawman, what he said, and I can largely agree with, is that women don't love men as much as the latter do the former in return. Not that women don't invest time/energy/virginity/money/what have you.

Women love being loved if you get what I mean. The process of the man going out of his way to make them have fun or feeling like they're able to contribute to an already succesful person. A simple exercise to confirm that is how once they're already together, the guy is fine with just keeping the routine they have going and so long as the girl lets him be, he's not going to whinge about it. On the contrary, when appearing dull, socially unsuccesful or just losing his drive, the woman will stop feeling attracted to him.

It's very contextual though, I suppose that cultures were romance and sexual tickles isn't as praised as it is in the post-modern West might actually have longer lasting unions, but the way it works here today, tends to make it sure couples don't last. Probably because romantic marriage is a mirage really.

I have to disagree. Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men. A man forms an emotional attachment to women but not at the same intensity. Our attachment is based heavily on the physical, while their attachment is based on who we are as a person, which creates a more intense involvement. I'm speaking generally, of course.

I like it this way. You don't have to shave and can even go days without showering. By the time disgust nullifies the emotional attachment you already had sex with her a bunch of times and so who cares, am I right? Hi fives all around. I am awesome.

[Vyasa]

I have to disagree. Women form a stronger emotional attachment to men. A man forms an emotional attachment to women but not at the same intensity. Our attachment is based heavily on the physical, while their attachment is based on who we are as a person, which creates a more intense involvement. I'm speaking generally, of course.

I like it this way. You don't have to shave and can even go days without showering. By the time disgust nullifies the emotional attachment you already had sex with her a bunch of times and so who cares, am I right? Hi fives all around. I am awesome.

hiw old are u? you look 38

[Lessenech]

I think both men and women appreciate feeling loved by the other partner, it is a two way street. Both should out in effort.

Yes, marriages dont last today, because of both parties. Men are more likely to cheat by a wide margin.

Yet there is inequality in both things. Men are generally the ones who have to shoulder the effort of wooing a woman, the woman just has to fancy him. Since how much we care about something correlates with how hard it was to get, the man will be more attached to sustaining that bond.

Cheating is false equivalence. Men cheat often without having any intention of leaving their wife whom they still love and are attracted to(polyamorous nature), sometimes even with women who they perceive are uglier. Women cheat when they find another man to outdo their husbands (favouring the single best), and while they may still be fond of their husband, they're no longer sexually attracted to him.