Woman 'too brown' for Hobbit role

[Eldritch]

you and christopher tolkien ((jrr tolkiens son)) would get along very well, i think he may still be alive and he hates jackson more than anyone on the planet

He is alive and in his 80's. AfaIk there's no new project of unfinished JRR writings coming up anymore now that The Children of Húrin and The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún are out.

However I wasn't aware of his hatred for Peter Jackson, any links?

[Radola]

It´s natural, she isn´t looking like a hobbit-they are white.. so she doesn´t play one. It´s like me wanting to play a nigga gangster - I couldn´t get this role, too.

[Alvarado]

She should use the inverted method of Hollywood:

[Liffrea]

“It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our air, the clime and soil of the North-West, meaning Britain and hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the east.”

“In any case if you want to write a tale of this sort you must consult your roots, and a man of the North-West of the Old World will set his heart and the action of his tale in an imaginary world of that air, and that situation: with the Shoreless Sea of his innumerable ancestors to the West, and the endless lands (out of which enemies mostly come) to the East.”

I’m not at all looking forward to the Hobbit anyway (regardless of this bit of nonsense) I’m still amazed that LOTR managed to get to the cinema without the obligatory PC treatment.

[Murphy]

I’m not at all looking forward to the Hobbit anyway (regardless of this bit of nonsense) I’m still amazed that LOTR managed to get to the cinema without the obligatory PC treatment.

But it did.

Arwen was turned into a Xena: Warrior Princess to suit modern feminist sensibilities. Instead of the soft Arwen who wandered the halls of her father sowing Aragorn's banner giving him strength without need to overshadow him we got Liv Tyler who not only overshadowed Aragorn but also Frodo.

Here's some examples: in the films when Aragorn is looking for the medicinal herb for Frodo's wound, Arwen sneaks up on him with a blade and says something silly about a ranger letting his guard down.. WHAT THE FUCK?! Aragorn is a Dúnedain Ranger who in his spare time fucked about Mordor for shits and giggles and who grew up kicking it with Elrond's sons. He's just came from a scrap with the Nazgúl and the ring-bearer is fading from their realm. NO ONE IS SNEAKING UP ON HIM!

Now after that and her claims to being a better rider than Aragorn she takes Frodo on her horse and heads for the ford having a nice little race with the Nazgúl. This is where she overshadow's Frodo and robs the audience a chance to see Frodo's mettle. When Frodo reached the ford in the books on Glorfindel's horse (he was alone) he realises he cannot go on. What does he do? Does he cower down meekly? No, the guy draws his swords and tells the bastards to bring it. This little fucking hobbit, for all intent and purposes near death with a wound that will trouble him for the rest of his days, is willing to go toe-to-toe with the Nazgúl. Liv Tyler's Arwen stole so much from Frodo and Aragorn.

Not to mention SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE! Give me Glorfindel. In case anyone's forgotten this was the dude who was sent back from the Undying Lands after kicking the shit out of a Balrog and who is so bad ass the Halls of Mandos couldn't contain his awsomeness.

Then there's Aragorn. In the books, Aragorn, rightful king of Gondor, heir of Isildur, Ranger of the North, the man who stood at the gates of Mordor with the Men of the West and contested wills with Sauron himself, a man's fucking man, is turned into a hapless emo pussy-wimpn who is unsure of himself and afraid of his heritage. It makes me sick.

I could go on forever.

[blan]

He is alive and in his 80's. AfaIk there's no new project of unfinished JRR writings coming up anymore now that The Children of Húrin and The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún are out.

However I wasn't aware of his hatred for Peter Jackson, any links?

i dont have any links but he described the lord of the rings as rubbish and not worthy of his fathers legacy i read a long time ago, and the reason why the hobbit came out last and it took so long to do is because tolkien had special ownership of that and had tried to keep all people away from the rights,

[Don Brick]

How on earth can she claim to be a LOTR fan and yet try to distort the world that Tolkien created? A person who has read his work should know that Middle-Earth is not some modern day multicultural paradise but as Tolkien himself has described an imaginary period in earth´s and more precisely Europe´s past. Now if she´s just slightly darker than the rest of the cast then I can perhaps understand her outrage but chances are that she looks like a typical South Asian who would not fit into the role of a hobbit. Maybe she could be from somewhere in Khan (this one´s for all the LOTR enthusiasts out there, nobody else will no what the hell I´m talking about).

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Eóin
Arwen was turned into a Xena: Warrior Princess to suit modern feminist sensibilities.

Tolkien’s female characters in LOTR are poor (then again all his characters in LOTR are generally 2D, as I’ve mentioned before LOTR is very far away from being his best work).

Commercialisation undoubtedly played a part here, consider the number of female movie goers and the poor bastard man who has to sit through a nearly four hour film with his women, if you have ever taken a woman to see a film you want to see but she doesn’t you will know how close you are to killing her and throwing her in the river. I tried with Bikini Vampire Babes 2 this is the one with vegetable oil and where they suck men’s…….necks, couldn’t understand her problem….

Not to mention SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE! Give me Glorfindel. In case anyone's forgotten this was the dude who was sent back from the Undying Lands after kicking the shit out of a Balrog and who is so bad ass the Halls of Mandos couldn't contain his awsomeness.

As above.

Then there's Aragorn. In the books, Aragorn, rightful king of Gondor, heir of Isildur, Ranger of the North, the man who stood at the gates of Mordor with the Men of the West and contested wills with Sauron himself, a man's fucking man, is turned into a hapless emo pussy-wimpn who is unsure of himself and afraid of his heritage. It makes me sick.

I think you’re to harsh, true he does lack confidence, which would be out of place for his character in Tolkien’s book and in any Norse saga or in Beowulf, but he is plain speaking, knows when to be silent, knows when the rewards from a fight are worth the effort you put in, and, finally, when he does fight doesn’t hold back, no mercy, no compassion, see the scene where he slays the Orcs at the breaking of the fellowship, he’s the very Devil, all he see’s is blood and death (which is what you want in a warrior, which Aragorn is, don’t let the mild manner and quiet nature fool your estimation, he’s far stronger than the more Norse like Boromir, perhaps not physically but where it counts in his Will).

[Murphy]

Tolkien’s female characters in LOTR are poor (then again all his characters in LOTR are generally 2D, as I’ve mentioned before LOTR is very far away from being his best work).

Tolkien's females are not poor. They just don't bend to modern sensibilities. Tolkien's women are real women. Not MTV Porn Stars.

And I object to any claim that Tolkien's characters are generally 2D. Now granted Tolkien wasn't much for character-driven tales so there wasn't focus on development, but it was there and characters did have depth.

[Pallantides]

Maybe she could be from somewhere in Khan (this one´s for all the LOTR enthusiasts out there, nobody else will no what the hell I´m talking about).

You mean Khand