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    Quote Originally Posted by N1019 View Post
    There is no need to embrace Islam. Ending the ridiculous overblown welfare state and ending feminism would go a long way in itself. We did just fine without Islam in the past and could do so again. The trouble is, it seems doubtful that our democratic system, which by giving women the vote allows them to continue voting for feminism and disincentivising parenthood for both men and women, is capable of the needed reform, and collapse could occur before a new paradigm ushers in the requisite changes. Some have predicted that it is already too late to save the West based on demographic studies of past societal collapses.

    Islam is not the solution. Islamic societies are susceptible to the same problems as the West. The same family oriented provisions are available within Christianity or even a relatively godless society, but one in which women are not given free handouts from tax revenue mostly generated by men, and being treated as equal to men when they are not, which distorts their behaviour in a highly destructive manner for the entire society.
    In Islam, parenthood is akin to martyrdom, it is way more promoted in Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    In Islam, parenthood is akin to martyrdom, it is way more promoted in Islam.
    Tell that to the growing number of Muslim women who aren't getting married, having kids, or divorcees in countries like Iran. It mostly comes down to financial incentives. At present, men and women are faced with perverse incentives when it comes to marriage and children. These need to be corrected. Religion is a nice overlay for common people but less relevant than they think. If you see it purely in religious terms, you're not looking deeply enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    In Islam, parenthood is akin to martyrdom, it is way more promoted in Islam.
    I don't think things would change much for Europeans if they adopted Islam. Second world economies like Turkey and Iran are Islamic, but they have relatively low fertility rates. I think fertility has more to do with the social economic level of a country. That's why First World countries have 1-2 children per woman, Second World countries have 2-3 and the poorest Third World countries have 4-5 children. Christians in Africa have far more babies than Muslims in North Africa or the M. East, for example. I think the best solution for Europeans to start having more babies is to, ironically, become poorer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor View Post
    I don't think things would change much for Europeans if they adopted Islam. Second world economies like Turkey and Iran are Islamic, but they have relatively low fertility rates. I think fertility has more to do with the social economic level of a country. That's why First World countries have 1-2 children per woman, Second World countries have 2-3 and the poorest Third World countries have 4-5 children. Christians in Africa have far more babies than Muslims in North Africa or the M. East, for example. I think the best solution for Europeans to start having more babies is to, ironically, become poorer.
    Nice way of putting it.

    Anyway, the stats don't lie. Islam doesn't guarantee a population recovery.

    Force Islam on the people without fixing the perverse financial incentives and the demographic problem will not go away.

    Right now, men have more to fear regarding marriage than women. Women know if the marriage fails in her opinion she can up and leave, taking half of the man's possessions and using the state to extort money from him for decades.

    Women are lied to their entire lives, led to believe they can have it all. Education, career, money, independence, ideal husband, home and happy family. It perverts their behaviour, leaving a trail of destruction throughout society, and in most cases the end result is far from ideal.

    The OP is just peddling Islam, seeking validation and approval. She is not offering a real solution to the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1019 View Post
    Tell that to the growing number of Muslim women who aren't getting married, having kids, or divorcees in countries like Iran. It mostly comes down to financial incentives. At present, men and women are faced with perverse incentives when it comes to marriage and children. These need to be corrected. Religion is a nice overlay for common people but less relevant than they think. If you see it purely in religious terms, you're not looking deeply enough.
    Muslims from every nation have a hifger birthrate than non-muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    Muslims from every nation have a hifger birthrate than non-muslims.
    So what? Higher birthrate than everyone else is not what's needed.

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