LivingDNA Ydna result

[Noman]

Slavic-Baltic-German - Z283

[Peterski]

LivingDNA got back to me.

They told me these are the following clades downstream of Z283 that they test (all of which I am negative):

They are as follows:
M458/PF6241
L260/S222
Z280
S204/Z91
CTS8557/Z661
CTS91/S344/Z660
S205/Z92
CTS1211/S3357
P278/P278.1/P278.2
P278/P278.1/P278.2
CTS3402/S3361/V2670
L365/S468
S443/Z289
S221/Z284
L448/S200
S223/Z287
S345/Z288
S342/Z88

So maybe you are CTS4385/L664, because apparently they did not test for it.

Polish Korfanty family belongs to L664, but they are descended from an Italian Condottiero from Veneto, named Corfanti, born in 1619 - who settled in Upper Silesia during the Thirty Years' War. If your ancestor was an Italian Condottiero, then maybe he was also CTS4385/L664 like that Corfanti.

Edit: I forgot to add, Corfanti was probably Croatian (a colonel of Croat cavalry):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post156257

Corfanti, who was born in Venetia in merchant family - he was a colonel in a Croat light cavalry unit.
At some point, during 30 Years' War, Corfanti was badly injured and he decided to stay in Silesia. He bought some land, married Amanda von Jurowski and fortunately for him, he was able to extend his lineage.

Corfanti and von Jurowski married in 1641 and they settled in Siemianowice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemianowice_Śląskie

One of his descendants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Korfanty

[Trojet]

So maybe you are CTS4385/L664, because apparently they didn't test it.

Polish Korfanty family belongs to L664, but they are descended from an Italian Condotieri from Veneto, named Corfanti, born in 1619 - who settled in Upper Silesia during the Thirty Years' War. If your ancestor was an Italian Condotieri, then maybe he was also CTS4385/L664 like that Corfanti.

Korfanty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Korfanty

He can't be because CTS4385,L664 is not derived from Z283 and he is confirmed Z283+
Assuming these SNP calls from LivingDNA are correct, I think he is likely either Y17491 or YP4758, or something rare:



https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z283/


Anyways, Dibran has ordered Y-Elite 2.1 which will nail this down.

[Peterski]

Oh shit you are right, I forgot that L664+ is an earlier-split branch.

BTW, L664 was found in ancient DNA from western Corded Ware culture.

Anyways, Dibran has ordered Y-Elite 2.1 which will nail this down.

Nice.

[Peterski]

Of course R1a-Z283 is, just like L664, also from Corded Ware:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/0...-r1a-z645.html

All of R1a downstream of M198 (or at least M417) is most likely from Corded Ware.

But Corded Ware culture was huge, from the Volga to the Rhine.

[Dibran]

Should be really interesting. So far every test has at least predicted a correct trajectory and not backtracked clades. So perhaps its ancestral z283? Maybe some undiscovered clades that branched off? Assuming the false negatives are not positive and the positives arent really false positives. Its very interesting, but I am a laymen in these things which is why I will be providing my reslts for better understanding when I get my yelite.

[Rethel]

Polish Korfanty family belongs to L664, but they are descended from an Italian Condottiero from Veneto, named Corfanti, born in 1619 - who settled in Upper Silesia during the Thirty Years' War. If your ancestor was an Italian Condottiero, then maybe he was also CTS4385/L664 like that Corfanti.

You see, another "slav" from not slavic country

[Karol Klačansky]

At least hats what I was told via email. Then again who knows. They moved my mtdna back to H even though 23 has me at H11a

I was confirmed to be R1a-L260 so they definitely test further subclades. I'm surprised they didn't get you at H11a though

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