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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    I think he means the elite of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Nearly every notorious\relevant Hungarian was Jewish.
    Jews were almost completely absent among elite in AH Empire. What they were was educated middle class and urban folk that was sucessful in science and business, but they didn't have any significant political power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Jews were almost completely absent among elite in AH Empire. What they were was educated middle class and urban folk that was sucessful in science and business, but they didn't have any significant political power.
    Jewish life under the Habsburgs is known as a golden era for them. But yea, I think Jewish communities had way more influence in modern Hungary than on AH Empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Jewish life under the Habsburgs is known as a golden era for them. But yea, I think Jewish communities had way more influence in modern Hungary than on AH Empire.
    Perhaps under Habsburgs of Central Europe, not the Spanish Habsburgs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Perhaps under Habsburgs of Central Europe, not the Spanish Habsburgs.
    We're talking about XIX century, not XVI-XVII century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    We're talking about XIX century, not XVI-XVII century.
    Who are "we"? the Greek user talked something about the Jewish Habsburg empire and he did not say anything about this or that century...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    Austria-Hungary probably includes Lombardy-Venetia (1815-1866), Trentino and Trieste which were probably some of the richest regions in the whole Empire.
    Actually the Italian regions of the former Habsburg Empire were by far the poorest ones.
    The wealth of Venetian regions is a quite recent phenomenon — not unlike Ireland, Flanders or Bavaria, i.e. Catholic regions that experienced the industrial revolution late in history and consequently grew up with new technologies without being plagued with old rust belts.
    Still the the 30's, Venetian peasants were letterally starving, many had to be relocated South of Rome (Agro Pontino) and even to... Sardinia.



    To put it clear, since the colours are somewhat misleading, the top 6 ist made of:
    . UK
    . Switzerland
    . Belgium
    . Germany
    . France
    . Sweden (the curve shows the impressive growth the country experienced around 1900)

    Austria-Hungary was far behind, despite some flourishing industries in the German (sometimes Czech also) parts of Bohemia.
    Last edited by Ouistreham; 07-07-2017 at 04:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Actually the Italian regions of the former Habsburg Empire were by far the poorest ones.
    The wealth of Venetian regions is a quite recent phenomenon — not unlike Ireland, Flanders or Bavaria, i.e. Catholic regions that experienced the industrial revolution late in history and consequently grew up with new technologies without being plagued with old rust belts.
    Still the the 30's, Venetian peasants were letterally starving, many had to be relocated South of Rome (Agro Pontino) and even to... Sardinia.
    Your sources?

    Trieste was one of the most important cities and also Milan. Venice alongside Trieste were the most important ports in the Empire. If the region was poor is because Austrian heavy taxes.

    https://amantidellastoria.com/2016/0...mbardo-veneto/

    "Infatti l'economia del Lombardo-Veneto, pure mantenendo un carattere prevalentemente agricolo, tanto che il sistema agrario lombardo gareggiava per perfezione e per soliditą con quello inglese, e, sotto certi aspetti, lo superava, diede vita in questo periodo alle grandi industrie, caratterizzate da un largo afflusso di capitali, da un'eccellente organizzazione tecnica, dalla divisione del lavoro. E quando l'Austria abbandonņ la Lombardia, in onta alle crisi gravissime che l'avevano travagliata, come quelle del 1815 e del 1848, Milano era gią sulla via di diventare il pił grande mercato italiano e uno dei pił grandi mercati internazionali."

    http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/...a-Italiana%29/

    Obviously Venice was waaayyy richer during the Republic.

    In the 30's there was the Great Depression which hit hard many countries, that doesn't count... we are talking about pre WWI here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Jewish Empire Habsburgs were polluted with Jewish blood.
    You are as dumb and you are cuckold.

    The Jewish empire was the British empire having it's economical and political empire center in London

    France was also at the time a Jewish ruled country.

    Both countries that created the gypsy nation of neo greeks in 1831 with Albanian dresses and Albanian leaders faithful to orthodoxy and that never knew what the term or concept " greece " meant.

    Biggest and enemy of Jewish oligarchy in Europe were central kingdoms and empires in Europe which both meant to be german speaking.

    The last true enemy of Jewish oligarchy was the 3rd Reich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    Your sources?

    Trieste was one of the most important cities and also Milan. Venice alongside Trieste were the most important ports in the Empire. If the region was poor is because Austrian heavy taxes.

    https://amantidellastoria.com/2016/0...mbardo-veneto/

    "Infatti l'economia del Lombardo-Veneto, pure mantenendo un carattere prevalentemente agricolo, tanto che il sistema agrario lombardo gareggiava per perfezione e per soliditą con quello inglese, e, sotto certi aspetti, lo superava, diede vita in questo periodo alle grandi industrie, caratterizzate da un largo afflusso di capitali, da un'eccellente organizzazione tecnica, dalla divisione del lavoro. E quando l'Austria abbandonņ la Lombardia, in onta alle crisi gravissime che l'avevano travagliata, come quelle del 1815 e del 1848, Milano era gią sulla via di diventare il pił grande mercato italiano e uno dei pił grandi mercati internazionali."

    http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/...a-Italiana%29/

    Obviously Venice was waaayyy richer during the Republic.

    In the 30's there was the Great Depression which hit hard many countries, that doesn't count... we are talking about pre WWI here.
    Trieste and Rijeka were the only ports of austrian empire so normally Trieste would be one of the most important ports.

    Austrian empire brought development.

    Everything worth today in Croatia was built during austrian and austro hungarian rule.

    Venetian also brought some kind of development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    Actually the Italian regions of the former Habsburg Empire were by far the poorest ones.
    The wealth of Venetian regions is a quite recent phenomenon — not unlike Ireland, Flanders or Bavaria, i.e. Catholic regions that experienced the industrial revolution late in history and consequently grew up with new technologies without being plagued with old rust belts.
    Still the the 30's, Venetian peasants were letterally starving, many had to be relocated South of Rome (Agro Pontino) and even to... Sardinia.



    To put it clear, since the colours are somewhat misleading, the top 6 ist made of:
    . UK
    . Switzerland
    . Belgium
    . Germany
    . France
    . Sweden (the curve shows the impressive growth the country experienced around 1900)

    Austria-Hungary was far behind, despite some flourishing industries in the German (sometimes Czech also) parts of Bohemia.

    Yes, French GDP was 30% lower than this, if we don't add the income from the French colonies.

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