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    Default Ancient Egyptians on GEDmatch

    Edit:

    Here are new, better uploads (I'm adding to the OP so that everyone can see):

    Mummy JK2134, 776-569 BC - GEDmatch kit - M287805
    Mummy JK2911, 769-560 BC - GEDmatch kit - M558272
    Mummy JK2888, 92 BC - 2 BC - GEDmatch kit - M832273


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    First sample (best quality, 15034 SNPs used by K36):

    JK2134 Pre-Ptolemaic Egypt 776-569 BC, kit number - Z459747:

    Spoiler!

    Similarity rates to modern populations (based on K36 results):

    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm



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    First look at ancient Egyptian mtDNA:

    http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com/2017/...ian-mtdna.html

    Thanks to Schuenemann 2017 we finally have DNA from the ancient Egyptians. It sequenced three ancient Egyptian genomes and 90 ancient Egyptian mtDNA genomes. All of the samples come from Middle Egypt and range in age from about 1300 BC to 300 AD.

    The genetic affinity of the ancient Egyptians doesn’t carry any surprises. They were native to the Middle East. With published ancient DNA we can trace their roots back 12,000 years to that region. But unlike other ancient Middle Eastern DNA, the ancient Egyptians also harbored a little bit of some sort of Sub Saharan African ancestry(5-10%).

    I’ve taken a close look at the ancient Egyptian mtDNA results. So here’s a first glimpse into the mtDNA affinity of the ancient Egyptians…..

    Like their genome-wide affinity the ancient Egyptian’s mtDNA is distinctively Near Eastern. Not just Middle Eastern but Near Eastern. Recall earlier this year I pointed out that modern Egyptian mtDNA shows affinity to the Near East not NorthWest Africa. They share most mtDNA first with modern Egyptians but then also Arabians and peoples in the Levant(Syria, Lebanon, etc). A mere 1%(1 sample) belonged to Sub Saharan African mHG L(xM, N). Modern Egypt though has a frequency of 20% frequency!

    A handful of mHGs characterized ancient Egyptian mtDNA. 44% belonged to the following mHGs: R0a 7.8%, HV1 6.7%, J2a2 6.7%, T1a 14.4%, M1a 5.6%, I 4.4%.

    Every single one of those mHGs is specific to the Near East-North Africa except for U6a and M1a which make a significant presence Iberia and many parts of Africa.

    Today R0a, HV1, and J2a2 interesting all peak in Egypt. And the ancient Egyptians had as high of a frequency in those mHGs as you’ll find in any modern population. Their high frequency of J2a2(6.7%) is even more interesting considering it has been found in the Natufians. J2a2 seldom appears outside of the SouthWest Asia-North Africa. Last year I classified it Near Easter(See here). J in Europe is dominated by J1c while J1b-J1d dominates J in much of the Middle East.

    R0a has a more international distribution than J2a2 and HV1. Like J2a2 it peaks in the Near East but it also surprisingly has a strong presence as far east as India. Several examples R0a have been found in Neolithic and Bronze age Jordan.

    Saying the ancient Egyptians had a lot of T1a doesn’t say much considering T1a is equally popular in most of West Eurasia(from Ireland to Iran). The T1a clades the ancient Egyptians belonged to: T1a7, T1a2, T1a5, T1a8, all are Near Eastern-specific. None of them belonged to European-SC Asian T1a1. Most of my modern T1a7 samples are from Egypt. All of my Egyptian T1a7 samples belong to an unclassified T1a7 clade, it’ll be interesting to see if these ancient Egyptians belonged to that clade.

    Here’s the most important differences between ancient Egyptian mtDNA and modern Egyptian+Near Eastern mtDNA: moderns have a lot more J1b, H, U3, and African L(xM, N).
    Last edited by Peterski; 07-08-2017 at 03:01 PM.

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    Send me its GEDmatch ID?

    They're closer to Sicilians, Cretans, Dodecanese than to Turks. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Send me its GEDmatch ID?
    There are three samples, but two are of lower quality.

    Numbers of SNPs utilized by Eurogenes K36 for each sample:

    JK2134 776-569 BC (kit Z459747) - 15034 SNPs used in this evaluation

    JK2911 769-560 BC (kit Z343728) - 3933 SNPs used in this evaluation

    This one is younger, from the 1st century BC:

    JK2888 97-2 BC (kit Z094469) - 6202 SNPs used in this evaluation

    JK2911 is the best quality, then JK2888 and the worst is JK2134.

    Low coverage samples (not many SNPs) can sometimes have unreliable results.

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    Edit: Another upload of JK2888, 97-2 BC (by mlukas), kit M832273.

    This upload is of better qualiy - 21444 SNPs used in this evaluation.

    Eurogenes K36 results:

    Spoiler!

    Last edited by Peterski; 07-07-2017 at 11:33 PM.

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    Here are their Eurogenes K15 and Dodecad K12b.

    One of the three goes in the direction of Ashkenazim, Sicilians, etc. The other two are more like a mixture of modern Egyptians and Levantines.

    #1:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 34.5
    2 Red_Sea 27.32
    3 Atlantic 14.96
    4 West_Med 14.41
    5 Sub-Saharan 3.78
    6 Baltic 3.15
    7 Southeast_Asian 1.88

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bedouin 19.47
    2 Tunisian 20.17
    3 Saudi 20.65
    4 Tunisian_Jewish 20.84
    5 Egyptian 20.94
    6 Sephardic_Jewish 21.44
    7 Algerian_Jewish 21.65
    8 Algerian 22.23
    9 Libyan_Jewish 22.42
    10 Palestinian 22.58
    11 Italian_Jewish 22.88
    12 Moroccan 23.49
    13 Mozabite_Berber 23.8
    14 Jordanian 23.85
    15 Yemenite_Jewish 24.33
    16 Samaritan 24.45
    17 Syrian 24.96
    18 Ashkenazi 25.23
    19 West_Sicilian 25.91
    20 East_Sicilian 26.15




    # Population Percent
    1 Southwest_Asian 37.95
    2 Caucasus 27.46
    3 Atlantic_Med 18.03
    4 Sub_Saharan 6.09
    5 Northwest_African 5.58
    6 Gedrosia 4.89

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bedouin (HGDP) 13.26
    2 Palestinian (HGDP) 15.69
    3 Jordanians (Behar) 17.16
    4 Yemenese (Behar) 17.55
    5 Syrians (Behar) 17.85
    6 Egyptans (Behar) 18.55
    7 Lebanese (Behar) 21.41
    8 Samaritians (Behar) 22.19
    9 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 23.04
    10 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.95
    11 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.73
    12 Druze (HGDP) 26.08
    13 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 27.24
    14 Cypriots (Behar) 28.82
    15 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 29.49
    16 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 30.4
    17 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 30.45
    18 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 30.79
    19 Sicilian (Dodecad) 31.15
    20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 31.23



    #2:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 46.64
    2 West_Med 17.83
    3 Red_Sea 15.83
    4 Northeast_African 8.32
    5 South_Asian 6.07
    6 Sub-Saharan 3.54
    7 Baltic 1.77

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Egyptian 14.36
    2 Palestinian 16.73
    3 Libyan_Jewish 16.82
    4 Bedouin 17.51
    5 Jordanian 17.73
    6 Samaritan 18.02
    7 Yemenite_Jewish 19.52
    8 Tunisian_Jewish 19.55
    9 Algerian_Jewish 21.13
    10 Lebanese_Christian 21.22
    11 Syrian 21.56
    12 Tunisian 21.95
    13 Algerian 22.64
    14 Cyprian 22.71
    15 Lebanese_Druze 22.71
    16 Italian_Jewish 23.04
    17 Sephardic_Jewish 23.23
    18 Saudi 23.41
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 23.75
    20 Moroccan 24.91



    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 37.89
    2 Southwest_Asian 29.51
    3 Northwest_African 15.36
    4 Atlantic_Med 7.25
    5 East_African 6.75
    6 South_Asian 3.23

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Egyptans (Behar) 12.24
    2 Palestinian (HGDP) 12.28
    3 Jordanians (Behar) 13.89
    4 Samaritians (Behar) 16.73
    5 Lebanese (Behar) 17.29
    6 Syrians (Behar) 17.99
    7 Bedouin (HGDP) 18.52
    8 Druze (HGDP) 20.24
    9 Yemenese (Behar) 20.42
    10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 23.66
    11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.84
    12 Cypriots (Behar) 25.27
    13 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.71
    14 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 25.73
    15 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 26.31
    16 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 27.3
    17 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 27.54
    18 Assyrian (Dodecad) 28.47
    19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 28.63
    20 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 28.77


    #3:
    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 43.35
    2 Red_Sea 23.67
    3 West_Med 16.3
    4 Northeast_African 7.62
    5 Atlantic 4.23
    6 West_Asian 3.48
    7 Southeast_Asian 1.3
    8 Amerindian 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Egyptian 12.96
    2 Bedouin 13.08
    3 Palestinian 14.64
    4 Yemenite_Jewish 15.02
    5 Saudi 15.79
    6 Jordanian 16.18
    7 Libyan_Jewish 16.29
    8 Samaritan 16.48
    9 Tunisian_Jewish 17.69
    10 Syrian 19.8
    11 Lebanese_Christian 20.13
    12 Algerian_Jewish 20.67
    13 Sephardic_Jewish 21.27
    14 Italian_Jewish 21.73
    15 Tunisian 21.88
    16 Cyprian 22.03
    17 Lebanese_Muslim 22.35
    18 Algerian 22.77
    19 Lebanese_Druze 22.92
    20 Moroccan 23.99


    # Population Percent
    1 Southwest_Asian 37.56
    2 Caucasus 33.01
    3 Atlantic_Med 11.42
    4 Northwest_African 9.87
    5 East_African 5.61
    6 Southeast_Asian 1.52
    7 South_Asian 1.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bedouin (HGDP) 9.73
    2 Palestinian (HGDP) 11.46
    3 Egyptans (Behar) 12.7
    4 Jordanians (Behar) 14.41
    5 Yemenese (Behar) 16.69
    6 Samaritians (Behar) 17.19
    7 Syrians (Behar) 17.28
    8 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 18.08
    9 Lebanese (Behar) 19.44
    10 Druze (HGDP) 23.17
    11 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 25.67
    12 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.81
    13 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 26.96
    14 Cypriots (Behar) 27.76
    15 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 28.64
    16 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 30.18
    17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 30.35
    18 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 30.91
    19 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 31.25
    20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 31.73

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    Hey, you can check different upload of Jk2888. I converted this using Bam Analysis Tool and I've got better coveraged sample (82 000 SNP).

    Results are also different partly but still MENA (without SSA).

    M832273

    Amerindian -
    Arabian 13.88
    Armenian 0.39
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 20.46
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French -
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 6.81
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 27.52
    North_African 12.82
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African 3.78
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 14.33

    I will post oracles shortly.
    K36 Ancestral Report and Chromosomal Analysis / G25 Maps
    https://www.lm-genetics.com

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    Best fit on gedmatch is on Dodecad World9 with this :

    71.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 28.1% Sardinian @ 3.92

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    How do we know this was not an Assyrian colonizer since Ancient Egypt was under them during this time? The genetics seem to suggest so

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    Closer to south Europeans then to closest African neighbors of south. turn out that we wuz kangz and sheit to be just a damn lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    How do we know this was not an Assyrian colonizer since Ancient Egypt was under them during this time? The genetics seem to suggest so
    Ancient Assyrians were much more West Asian shifted and less Levantine shifted. I doubt they are Assyrian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Ancient Assyrians were much more West Asian shifted and less Levantine shifted. I doubt they are Assyrian.
    Well why are they not at the least, North Africans?

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