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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    i think he wants me to turn mestizos into 100% euro. Which seems a great idea. But i got some weird results doing that.
    It will give weird results because it's not possible to entirely substract Amerindian admixture in certain calculators. You may extract east asian percentages accurately in some cases but you will run into weird issues because then it will be hard to separate European ANE from Amerindian one. If then an entire component is removed, and the substraction turned into a 100%, the already combined ANE will increase even more, and the results are from those regions of West Asia and East Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Or maybe they just mixed with Europeans who had higher North Sea and Eastern Euro?
    It's the Amerindian side sharing components which are highest in the East of Europe and the Caucasus that skew the results in that direction. Amerindian admixture thus is not able to be accurately reduced to 0%, which makes the results head east as opposed to South Europe.

    TL;DR: they appear very east because an eastern admixture can not be accurately substracted. Otherwise by removing the entirety of Amerindian admixture they should cluster around Spain, Italy or Portugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsuo Shima View Post
    It will give weird results because it's not possible to entirely substract Amerindian admixture in certain calculators. You may extract east asian percentages accurately in some cases but you will run into weird issues because then it will be hard to separate European ANE from Amerindian one. If then an entire component is removed, and the substraction turned into a 100%, the already combined ANE will increase even more, and the results are from those regions of West Asia and East Europe.



    It's the Amerindian side sharing components which are highest in the East of Europe and the Caucasus that skew the results in that direction. Amerindian admixture thus is not able to be accurately reduced to 0%, which makes the results head east as opposed to South Europe.

    TL;DR: they appear very east because an eastern admixture can not be accurately substracted. Otherwise by removing the entirety of Amerindian admixture they should cluster around Spain, Italy or Portugal.
    actually this makes a lot of sense. I have seen this with the nations with high amerindian


    The part taht didnt make sense to me is that the white/castizos with high eastern euro/north sea were present in Argentina and Brazil only. but suddenly when i added mestizos/indomestizos that changed abruptly. Didnt make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    actually this makes a lot of sense. I have seen this with the nations with high amerindian


    The part taht didnt make sense to me is that the white/castizos with high eastern euro/north sea were present in Argentina and Brazil only. but suddenly when i added mestizos/indomestizos that changed abruptly. Didnt make sense to me.
    Those may actually have recent ancestry from these places, whereas mestizos from elsewhere etc... do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsuo Shima View Post
    Those may actually have recent ancestry from these places, whereas mestizos from elsewhere etc... do not.
    Exactly, also, now that i think about it.

    Puerto rico is also colonial iberian,, very euro, and they dont score east euro or high north sea. amerindian is probably the key.

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    Maybe try using K36 instead of K15?

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    There is German admixture in Bolivia, maybe this explains higher North Sea and East Euro:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Americans

    Bolivian Americans are identified as Indigenous, European (mostly Spanish or German), Afro Bolivian, or a combination of any or all three races in varying degrees of admixture. Additionally, there are Bolivian Americans of Japanese descent, albeit, in small numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Maybe try using K36 instead of K15?
    Well yes i could try that in the future

    (i know what you are trying to do, you evil pole )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    There is German admixture in Bolivia, maybe this explains higher North Sea and East Euro:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Americans
    but the german ancestry is present in the whites/castizo bolivians.Not in the indomestizos. I can assure you that. This is something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    There is German admixture in Bolivia, maybe this explains higher North Sea and East Euro:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Americans
    I think that Bolivia has a big and very conservative menonite comunity. I think that nowadays paraguayan menonites escaped originally from Bolivia because they wanted to have more freedom, and more modernity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perikolez View Post
    I think that Bolivia has a big and very conservative menonite comunity. I think that nowadays paraguayan menonites escaped originally from Bolivia because they wanted to have more freedom, and more modernity.
    But Perikolez my gedmatch bolivians/peruvians are 70-80-90-100% amerindian. This people are not mixed with germans.

    I think thaat they show high northern euro when i "turn them into 100% euro" because Gedmatch cannot give us the exact proportions with indomestizos.

    All the bolivian/peruvian mestizos i have dont score any northern euro.


    Lo que hago yo es agarrar a un boliviano 90% amerindio 10% europe y llevo ese 10% europeo a 100%. Pero el resultado es medio raro en mi opinion.

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