Vasilyevka 3 (Ukraine mesolithic) in Eurogenes K36

**Lucas** · 07-12-2017, 09:14 PM

I uploaded to Gedmatch genome from Vasilyevka 3.

The Neolithic Transition in the Baltic Was Not Driven by Admixture with Early European Farmers, 2017
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5321670/

Kit T457572

18 000 snps used in K36 evaluation

East_Central_Euro 25.73
Eastern_Euro 9.99
Fennoscandian 30.60
North_Atlantic 4.33
North_Sea 29.34

nMonte

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"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        Estonian     Sweden_north Russian_Novgorod     Norway_north 
        23.74453         25.90313         25.99571         26.92863 
         Latvian    Pl_Kashubians Russian_Kostroma           Sweden 
        28.10779         28.25326         28.62113         28.99123

Karelian_Tver 33.25
Lithuanian 29.60
North_Dutch 29.40
PL_Sudovia 4.85
Finnish_SW 2.15
Latvian 0.30
Sweden_north 0.15
Norway_north 0.15
Sweden 0.10
Estonian 0.05

nMonte restricted

Karelian_Tver 35.9
Lithuanian 32.3
North_Dutch 30.2
PL_Sudovia 1.6
Finnish_SW 0.0

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[1] "CORRELATION OF ADMIXTURE POPULATIONS"
              North_Dutch Lithuanian PL_Sudovia Karelian_Tver
North_Dutch          1.00       0.47       0.50          0.47
Lithuanian           0.47       1.00       0.99          0.63
PL_Sudovia           0.50       0.99       1.00          0.58
Karelian_Tver        0.47       0.63       0.58          1.00

In nMonte seems to be 1/3 Germanic, 1/3 Baltic, 1/3 Finno-Slavic (Tver Karelians are mixed with Russians I suppose).

Admix4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Estonian @ 23,747173
2 Sweden_north @ 25,906729
3 Norway_north @ 26,426233
4 Latvian @ 28,133875
5 Russian_Kostroma @ 28,624434
6 Sweden @ 28,994993
7 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 28,997355
8 PL_Sudovia @ 29,054564
9 Pl_Kashubians @ 29,074166
10 Russian_Perm @ 29,113383
11 Sorb_Lusatia @ 29,225064
12 Russian_North @ 29,533022
13 Lithuanian @ 29,715208
14 Pl_north @ 29,877729
15 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 30,042417
16 Russian_Novgorod_Yaroslavl @ 30,094919
17 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 30,429696
18 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 30,69738
19 Russian_Tver @ 30,74154
20 German_East @ 30,77772
330 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Norway_north+PL_Sudovia @ 21,136797
2 Norway_north+Lithuanian @ 21,219923
3 Norway_north+Latvian @ 21,371872
4 PL_Sudovia+Finnish_SW @ 21,887706
5 Norway_north+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 22,249682

Spoiler!

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_Sudovia +25% North_Dutch +25% Finnish_SW @ 19,537826
2 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Norway_north +25% Finnish_SW @ 19,626667
3 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Sweden_north +25% Finnish_SW @ 19,756027
4 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Sweden +25% Finnish_SW @ 19,854882
5 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Denmark +25% Finnish_SW @ 19,966515

Spoiler!

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Finnish_SW @ 19,537826
2 Norway_north+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Finnish_SW @ 19,626667
3 North_Dutch+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Finnish_SW @ 19,71177
4 Sweden_north+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Finnish_SW @ 19,756027
5 Sweden+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Finnish_SW @ 19,854882

Spoiler!

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 4,381905
2 PL_Sudovia @ 4,448283
3 Latvian @ 4,523686
4 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,629877
5 Estonian @ 4,701441
6 Sweden_north @ 4,83071
7 Pl_Kashubians @ 4,848568
8 Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,850447
9 PL_Wielkopolska @ 5,025964
10 Pl_north @ 5,067228
11 Norway_north @ 5,092913
12 German_East @ 5,160978
13 Sweden @ 5,178364
14 PL_Mazovia @ 5,190868
15 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,194995
16 Denmark @ 5,237289
17 Norway @ 5,263031
18 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov @ 5,411633
19 Russian_Novgorod_Yaroslavl @ 5,454716
20 PL_average @ 5,483662
330 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Norway_north+Lithuanian @ 4,128272
2 Norway_north+Latvian @ 4,171281
3 Norway_north+PL_Sudovia @ 4,184617
4 Sweden_north+Lithuanian @ 4,238073
5 Norway_north+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,259108

Spoiler!

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norway_north +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,128272
2 50% Norway_north +25% Latvian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,149409
3 50% Norway_north +25% Lithuanian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,15737
4 50% Norway_north +25% Latvian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,170863
5 50% Norway_north +25% Latvian +25% Latvian @ 4,171281
6 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Finnish_East @ 4,181362

Spoiler!

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norway_north+Norway_north+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 4,128272
2 Norway_north+Norway_north+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 4,149409
3 Norway_north+Norway_north+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia @ 4,15737
4 Norway_north+Norway_north+Latvian+PL_Sudovia @ 4,170863
5 Norway_north+Norway_north+Latvian+Latvian @ 4,171281
6 PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Finnish_East @ 4,181362

Spoiler!

In Admix4 if we take both methods together we have similar results but instead of Finnish or Baltic we have Pl_Sudovia or less likely Pl_Podlasie. So North Eastern Poles with heavy Baltic ancestry.

From original paper. Compare with Tolan map...

**Lucas** · 07-12-2017, 09:15 PM

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit T457572

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 31.76
2 Eastern_Euro 26.23
3 Baltic 22.75
4 Atlantic 19.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Finnish 9.4
2 Southwest_Finnish 9.48
3 Estonian 10.14
4 East_Finnish 10.52
5 Polish 12.52
6 North_Swedish 12.82
7 Kargopol_Russian 14.07
8 South_Polish 14.15
9 Ukrainian 14.44
10 Belorussian 14.66
11 Estonian_Polish 14.79
12 Southwest_Russian 14.82
13 Russian_Smolensk 15.37
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.62
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.75
16 East_German 16.58
17 Lithuanian 16.6
18 La_Brana-1 16.74
19 Swedish 16.92
20 Erzya 17.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Estonian + 38.9% North_Swedish @ 7.78
2 60.5% North_Swedish + 39.5% Erzya @ 8.12
3 53.7% North_Swedish + 46.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 8.2
4 75.4% Estonian + 24.6% West_Norwegian @ 8.24
5 55.9% Southwest_Finnish + 44.1% Estonian @ 8.29
6 73.4% Estonian + 26.6% Norwegian @ 8.34
7 59.7% North_Swedish + 40.3% Lithuanian @ 8.41
8 55.7% North_Swedish + 44.3% Estonian_Polish @ 8.42
9 75.8% Estonian + 24.2% Danish @ 8.44
10 54.5% Erzya + 45.5% West_Norwegian @ 8.51
11 61.6% Kargopol_Russian + 38.4% West_Norwegian @ 8.53
12 55.5% North_Swedish + 44.5% Belorussian @ 8.54
13 72.9% Estonian + 27.1% Swedish @ 8.56
14 80.4% Estonian + 19.6% Orcadian @ 8.59
15 79.4% Estonian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 8.62
16 56% North_Swedish + 44% Southwest_Russian @ 8.64
17 56.7% Kargopol_Russian + 43.3% Swedish @ 8.69
18 79.9% Southwest_Finnish + 20.1% Erzya @ 8.71
19 78% Estonian + 22% North_Dutch @ 8.72
20 59.6% Finnish + 40.4% Estonian @ 8.72

**Lucas** · 07-12-2017, 09:16 PM

MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 49.63
2 Steppe 32.14
3 Neolithic 17.09
4 Subsaharian 1.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Latvian_Dobele 19.94
2 Estonian 20.74
3 Latvian_Cesis 20.8
4 Latvian 21.4
5 Finn 21.77
6 Finn 21.78
7 Ingrians 22.03
8 Finn 22.25
9 Lithuanian 22.69
10 Karelian 23.06
11 Finn 23.21
12 Finn 23.29
13 Finn 23.62
14 Vepsa 23.76
15 Russian 24.11
16 Russian 24.14
17 Icelandic 24.35
18 Russian 24.37
19 Russians-West 24.59
20 Russian 24.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.9% Latvian_Dobele + 5.1% Saami_WGA @ 19.92
2 100% Latvian_Dobele + and so on

**Pahli** · 07-12-2017, 09:38 PM

So its basically similar to modern Balts

**Lucas** · 07-12-2017, 09:46 PM

In my opinion it's ancestral population do northern PIE proto-Balto-Slavo-Germanic.

Similarity to Finns is because their assimiliated such substrate.

**~~Rethel~~** · 07-14-2017, 12:56 PM

It is this R1a?

**~~ЛыSSый~~** · 07-14-2017, 03:59 PM

tl/dr but say me if it one more prove of our naturalborn supermacy

**~~Rethel~~** · 07-14-2017, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ЛыSSый

tl/dr but say me if it one more prove of our naturalborn supermacy

Nope.
Almost half of Ukrs are imported non-R1 serfs.
And this is exactly, what this au analize shows.

**~~Rethel~~** · 07-14-2017, 04:28 PM

Average % for whole Serenissima Respublica it is about 60%.
The average of R1 among whole population is also around 60%.
And the number of serfs under noble ownership was 40%.

So, the autosomal %, haplogrupic % corelate exactly with social one
what implicates a suggestion, that these groups of people also originated
from different stocks remaining their own propotions in general population.

What is also interesting, quite adequate propotions are also in Moscalia.

**Lucas** · 07-14-2017, 04:37 PM

Second Ukrainian genome form this study.
Ukraine_N1 (Vovnigi_2) early neolithic

gedmatch kit: T261105

Amerindian 0,16
Central_Euro 3,41
East_Central_Euro 22,18
Eastern_Euro 12,26
Fennoscandian 20,7
North_Atlantic 12,54
North_Sea 27,95
West_African 0,79

Lower Fennoscandian and higher North Atlatnic, also new Central Euro, comparing to Vasilyevka 3.

Most similar to Northern Sweden and northern Poland.

Admix4
Least-squares method.

Code:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sweden_north @ 19,63579
2 Pl_north @ 20,520466
3 Pl_Kashubians @ 20,929806
4 Sweden @ 20,970721
5 Sorb_Lusatia @ 21,825389
6 PL_Wielkopolska @ 22,379418
7 Norway @ 22,468088
8 German_East @ 22,689164
9 Denmark @ 23,284533
10 Norway_north @ 23,952993
11 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 24,009786
12 North_Dutch @ 24,160381
13 Russian_Novgorod @ 24,377724
14 PL_Sudovia @ 24,643936
15 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 24,678538
16 Russian_Tver @ 24,755494
17 Estonian @ 24,896661
18 PL_Mazovia @ 24,971265
19 Latvian @ 25,158156
20 German_North @ 25,368426
337 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+Latvian @ 15,769295
2 North_Dutch+Lithuanian @ 15,815842
3 Sweden_north+PL_Sudovia @ 16,141373
4 Sweden_north+Lithuanian @ 16,267222
5 Sweden+Lithuanian @ 16,366308
6 Sweden+Latvian @ 16,496559
7 Norway+Lithuanian @ 16,601122
8 Sweden_north+Latvian @ 16,605611
9 Denmark+Lithuanian @ 16,629833
10 Norway_north+PL_Sudovia @ 16,631281
11 Denmark+Latvian @ 16,684088
12 North_Dutch+PL_Sudovia @ 16,694583
13 Sweden+PL_Sudovia @ 16,740525
14 Norway+Latvian @ 16,790731
15 Sweden_north+Pl_north @ 16,882128
16 North_Dutch+Russian_Novgorod @ 16,903671
17 Norway_north+Lithuanian @ 17,001266
18 Norway+PL_Sudovia @ 17,137498
19 Sweden_north+Pl_Kashubians @ 17,223523
20 Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 17,325054
56953 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 15,647387
2 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north @ 15,666951
3 50% North_Dutch +25% Lithuanian +25% Estonian @ 15,673319
4 50% North_Dutch +25% Latvian +25% Lithuanian @ 15,731983
5 50% North_Dutch +25% Latvian +25% Latvian @ 15,769295
6 50% Latvian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 15,800872
7 50% North_Dutch +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 15,815842
8 50% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian +25% Pl_north @ 15,913295
9 50% Sweden_north +25% North_Dutch +25% Lithuanian @ 15,916775
10 50% PL_Sudovia +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north @ 15,922177
11 50% North_Dutch +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 15,930825
12 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden @ 15,947375
13 50% North_Dutch +25% Latvian +25% Estonian @ 15,97595
14 50% North_Dutch +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Estonian @ 15,991032
15 50% Latvian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden @ 15,991369
16 50% Sweden_north +25% Sweden +25% Lithuanian @ 16,017061
17 50% PL_Sudovia +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 16,033888
18 50% Sweden_north +25% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian @ 16,039828
19 50% Latvian +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway_north @ 16,060535
20 50% North_Dutch +25% Latvian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 16,074542
17779344 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 15,647387
2 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 15,66345
3 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 15,666951
4 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Lithuanian+Estonian @ 15,673319
5 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia @ 15,690231
6 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 15,731983
7 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia @ 15,73728
8 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Latvian+PL_Sudovia @ 15,750478
9 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Latvian+Latvian @ 15,769295
10 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Latvian+Latvian @ 15,800872
11 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 15,804639
12 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 15,815842
13 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Latvian+PL_Sudovia @ 15,824957
14 North_Dutch+Sweden+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 15,909458
15 Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+Pl_north @ 15,913295
16 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Lithuanian @ 15,916775
17 North_Dutch+Norway_north+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia @ 15,922177
18 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Lithuanian+Russian_Novgorod @ 15,930825
19 North_Dutch+Sweden+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 15,947375
20 North_Dutch+Sweden+Lithuanian+Estonian @ 15,962889
21 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Lithuanian+Pl_north @ 15,97517
22 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Latvian+Estonian @ 15,97595
23 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+Estonian @ 15,990029
24 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+PL_Sudovia+Estonian @ 15,991032
25 North_Dutch+Sweden+Latvian+Latvian @ 15,991369
26 Sweden+Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Lithuanian @ 16,017061
27 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+Pl_north @ 16,024588
28 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+Russian_Novgorod @ 16,027125
29 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia @ 16,033888
30 Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Lithuanian @ 16,039828
31 North_Dutch+Sweden_north+PL_Sudovia+Estonian @ 16,049283
32 North_Dutch+Norway_north+Latvian+Latvian @ 16,060535
33 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Latvian+PL_Sudovia @ 16,074542
34 North_Dutch+Norway+Latvian+Lithuanian @ 16,078628
35 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Lithuanian+Karelian_Tver @ 16,084656
36 North_Dutch+Norway+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 16,100231
37 Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia @ 16,102237
38 Sweden_north+Sweden_north+Latvian+Pl_north @ 16,112351
39 North_Dutch+Denmark+Lithuanian+Estonian @ 16,113649
40 Sweden_north+Norway_north+Lithuanian+Pl_north @ 16,114211
506233332 iterations.

Gaussian

Code:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 4,318704
2 Pl_Kashubians @ 4,57888
3 PL_Sudovia @ 4,636766
4 Latvian @ 4,652634
5 Sweden_north @ 4,690448
6 Pl_north @ 4,699937
7 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,787988
8 Sweden @ 4,940548
9 Estonian @ 5,01866
10 Sorb_Lusatia @ 5,083686
11 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 5,14131
12 German_East @ 5,158284
13 Denmark @ 5,226497
14 PL_Mazovia @ 5,246546
15 Norway @ 5,289848
16 Russian_Novgorod @ 5,330115
17 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,364742
18 Norway_north @ 5,460777
19 North_Dutch @ 5,479047
20 Belarusian_Polesye @ 5,547638
337 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Sweden_north+Lithuanian @ 4,084736
2 North_Dutch+Lithuanian @ 4,121545
3 Sweden_north+Latvian @ 4,171071
4 North_Dutch+Latvian @ 4,192508
5 Sweden+Lithuanian @ 4,204835
6 Denmark+Lithuanian @ 4,212229
7 Sweden_north+PL_Sudovia @ 4,219859
8 Sweden+Latvian @ 4,267128
9 Denmark+Latvian @ 4,270365
10 Sweden_north+Pl_Kashubians @ 4,307083
11 Norway+Lithuanian @ 4,317368
12 Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 4,318704
13 Sweden+PL_Sudovia @ 4,360837
14 Norway_north+Lithuanian @ 4,365971
15 North_Dutch+PL_Sudovia @ 4,369521
16 Norway+Latvian @ 4,375459
17 Sweden_north+Pl_north @ 4,390255
18 Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,400984
19 Sweden_north+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,429597
20 Lithuanian+NE-England @ 4,435773
56953 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,084736
2 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 4,091362
3 50% North_Dutch +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,121545
4 50% Sweden_north +25% Latvian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,131095
5 50% Lithuanian +25% Denmark +25% Sweden_north @ 4,148163
6 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Lithuanian @ 4,156324
7 50% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,162478
8 50% Lithuanian +25% Sweden +25% Sweden_north @ 4,162513
9 50% North_Dutch +25% Latvian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,165832
10 50% Latvian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden_north @ 4,168333
11 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Denmark @ 4,168646
12 50% Sweden_north +25% Latvian +25% Latvian @ 4,171071
13 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Dutch +25% Sweden @ 4,174072
14 50% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 4,181658
15 50% Sweden_north +25% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian @ 4,191136
16 50% Sweden_north +25% Latvian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,192006
17 50% North_Dutch +25% Latvian +25% Latvian @ 4,192508
18 50% Lithuanian +25% Sweden_north +25% Lithuanian @ 4,199515
19 50% Sweden +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,204835
20 50% Denmark +25% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,2

nMonte

unrestricted

Code:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
   Sweden_north        Pl_north   Pl_Kashubians          Sweden    Sorb_Lusatia 
       19.59187        20.47361        20.88447        20.92098        21.77370 
PL_Wielkopolska          Norway     German_East 
       22.38890        22.41884        22.63394

North_Dutch 44.35
Lithuanian 36.80
Karelian_Tver 9.95
Sweden_north 6.15
PL_Sudovia 1.65
Latvian 0.50
Sweden 0.35
Norway_north 0.20
Finnish_SW 0.05

restricted

North_Dutch 49.3
Lithuanian 39.0
Karelian_Tver 11.8
Sweden_north 0.0
PL_Sudovia 0.0