Poll for Christians, what system would you rather ally yourself with, Islam or Scientism / Atheism?

[Lessenech]

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Point is to pick one Rethel and explain why one or the other is worse to you.

Very simple, and I mean no offense to any Muslims on the forum, but there are far more than just ISIS (something naive Europeans only know of because of the news) for Islamic cultural groups / sects that are more befitting the Dark Ages 500 years ago than modern society.

Modern society is against Christian ethics as well. I don't see the problem.

So I suggest you get some balls & go visit predominantly Islamic countries to find out what life is really like. Just don't hide like a canary in the gated communities either. You may learn a thing or two about reality. But as I said I have studied Islam, I have Muslim friends, and I have been invited by both friends & colleagues to mid-eastern countries.

First off, tone down the histrionic lady tamtrum, just asked something to talk in a civil way, not going to argue personally.
Sure, you have studied Islam, that's why I'm asking how you can find it to be theologically worse, from a Christian point of view, than a system that says only matter exists and there is no design at all.

But I have listened to the whining of many pro-Islamic Europeans who don't know jacksh*t about Islam or Muslim countries. They are often the Europeans who go on and on like an annoyingly broken record when something "horrific" happens in these regions and makes the news. Some are a little bit daft as they don't realize "horrific" is, at times, just a tad bit more extreme version of day to day life.

I neither care for liberal principles, values or ethics. You won't see me whinge on about the 'horror' of things and shedding crocodile tears.

And before you defend Islam saying it is the same of the Old Testament to Christianity. It is to degree. But only a fool who hasn't studied either, who just recites what the priest tells them like good sheep, would draw exact word for word comparisons.

I didn't, I just asked you a simple question on how Atheism and Scientism can be seen to be better for Christians than Islam.

Sunshine do some research before you yip.

There are two branches of Islam. One is proper Islam & the other is tainted with non-Islamic practices. Now can you tell me which one is real and which one is just a hodgepodge.

Not sure if you want to bed me, but 'sunshine' is quite the odd choice of a pet name.
There are more than just 2 branches of Islam, even excluding the internal subdivisions, just Sunni/Shia/Ibadi are already 3. But you studied Islam you said, you know this.

Scientism =/= Atheism

As Pagan I could possibly only ally with white christian agnostics/atheists aka cultural Christians especially if they're Orthodox or Catholic by origin. I can't associate myself with materialistic new age atheist liberals at all.

Most fundamental Christians I know are just people with mental issues (even-though I think mental sanity is for most part just social construct) or simply cowardly weaklings who need their jewish god to protect their ass, at least they believe so.

Serbs are predominantly kind of Christian Agnostics, our culture is pretty much secular, most people don't go to church.

Accuse others of mental issues while believing in neopaganism. Ah right, you don't actually believe in Perun. You're an atheist who has a hard-on for political reasons on neopagan reconstructionist aesthetics.

"Christian agnostics" is not just Serb culture, it's the culture of all European and American christendom, where wealth has made people complacent. Only Christians in the Middle East or Africa seem to still care in decent numbers.

[Rethel]

Point is to pick one Rethel and explain why one or the other is worse to you.

I know, but both are almost the same bad.

Chrisrtian CANNOT sympathiaze with none of them.

If you ask, what is practlycly better, then answer
will depend on nuaces and a point of view, becasue
if you mean freedom - answer will be different, than
when you mean chances of surrviving, and different
than if you measure possibility of evangelizing - and
all of this depend on which version of atheism do you
have in mind and the same with Islam.

In pure form atheism is even more danger than radical
Islam, on the other hand, you possibly can convert an
atheist but you cannot convert a muslim when this is
their ideology on the top. Both can kill us, but in Islam
at least there is some theoretical legal possibility for
vegetative existance, but in atheism there is no border.
But on the other hand, everywhere were is ruling Islam
Christianity sooner or later is extinct and when you look
at the jewish case, the so called tolerance for them (on
the same basis as tolerance for christians) means: "lets
exterminate the Jews" Aso, aso aso...

If you want me to chose between ISIS and DPRK, I would
choose none. I symathaize as a chrsitian with none. I do
want to live in christian state, not in one of these two.

[Profileid]

Hard choice. Avoid living under a sharia state at all costs.

[NordicMan]

I am not a Christian, but I think Christians should side with Scientism/Atheism. How would the West be able to defend itself without technology?

[Rethel]

I am not a Christian, but I think Christians should side with Scientism/Atheism.

Christians do not have to side with anybody,
as long as they have the God on their side.
Si Deus nobiscum quis contra nos!

How would the West be able to defend itself without technology?

And you need atheism and fags for that?

[NordicMan]

Christians do not have to side with anybody,
as long as they have the God on their side.
Si deus nobiscum quis contra nos!



And you need atheism and fags for that?

Lol. We don't need fags, of course. But it is a fact most scientists are atheists and there is a correlation between how popular belief in god is and lack of scientific innovation in a country.

[Rethel]

Lol. We don't need fags, of course. But it is a fact most scientists are atheists and there is a correlation between how popular belief in god is and lack of scientific innovation in a country.

So whole european civilisation should live in stone age...

[NordicMan]

So whole european civilisation should live in stone age...

Religion had its importance, but it is over now. Europeans need to be smart and understand science in order to be competitive against other races.

[Rethel]

Religion had its importance, but it is over now. Europeans need to be smart and understand science in order to be competitive against other races.

So be consequent and stop this nonsence about white folk,
becasue it was scientificlly proved that Europeans are not
one folk. Ony 55% are original white Indoeuropeans, and
rest are remains of foreign subjugated people. If you belive
in science, then follow her.

Also it is scientifically proved, that life is coming only from life,
so stop beliving in the myth, that rock became alive on its own.

It is also scientifically proved, that every action needs cause,
so stop beliving in nothingness which exploded causelessly.

It is also scientifically proved, that every exmplosion is
destructuve, so stop beliving, that Big Bum formed anything...

Be coherent and follow the science.

[Sockorer]

Although I'm more sympathetic to Islam than to Atheistic philosophies, I would have to side with the Atheists on account of Islam being an existential threat to the West and Atheism being a passing fad.