Islam, Terrorism and Hypocrisy: U.S. Imperialism in the Muslim World

[Sekarotuinen]

No, I'm just saying that is hypocritical to accuse people who try to enforce traditional mindset via de facto channels today, and call it manipulation or indoctrination, when people of the past always did the same yet they don't get the same condemnation. Fascism is just the term of a way to accomplish this, and so long as it's useful in doing that, I'm for it.

You are an ultra-authoritarian who espouses 'third-way' economics, fascist by definition. I dont care about your supposed support for tradition, for fascists it is just a means to an end of ultimate power.

[Lessenech]

You are an ultra-authoritarian who espouses 'third-way' economics, fascist by definition. I dont care about your supposed support for tradition, for fascists it is just a means to an end of ultimate power.

Close, but no. The point of authoritarian politics and imperialism is to enforce religious orthodoxy in the world, not the latter for the sake for the former. Spiritual comes before the material after all.

The entire crux of what the Traditionalist School asks to do really:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School

A number of disenchanted intellectuals responded to Guénon's call with attempts to put theory into practice. Some attempted without success to guide Fascism and Nazism along Traditionalist lines; others later participated in political terror in Italy. Traditionalism finally provided the ideological cement for the alliance of anti-democratic forces in post-Soviet Russia, and at the end of the Twentieth Century began to enter the debate in the Islamic world about the desirable relationship between Islam and modernity

Or for a more clear depiction, the very basis of what Joseph de Maistre always suggested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre

According to Maistre, any attempt to justify government on rational grounds will only lead to unresolvable arguments about the legitimacy and expediency of any existing government, and that this, in turn, will lead to violence and chaos.[23][24] Maistre therefore argued that the legitimacy of government must be based on compelling but non-rational grounds, which its subjects must not be allowed to question.[25] Maistre went on to argue that authority in politics should therefore derive from religion, and that in Europe this religious authority must ultimately lie with the Pope.

What was novel in Maistre's writings was not his enthusiastic defense of monarchical and religious authority per se, but rather his arguments concerning the practical need for ultimate authority to lie with an individual capable of decisive action, as well as his analysis of the social foundations of that authority's legitimacy. In his own words, which he addressed to a group of aristocratic French émigrés, "you ought to know how to be royalists. Before, this was an instinct, but today it is a science. You must love the sovereign as you love order, with all the forces of intelligence.

[Sekarotuinen]

Close, but no. The point of authoritarian politics and imperialism is to enforce religious orthodoxy in the world, not the latter for the sake for the former. Spiritual comes before the material after all.

The entire crux of what the Traditionalist School asks to do really:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School



Or for a more clear depiction, the very basis of what Joseph de Maistre always suggested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre

Your viewpoints are honestly disgusting, there has to be legitimacy in governments both from religion, which is logical, and more earthly logic. Such totalitarianism is something that I will always fight against.

[Lessenech]

Your viewpoints are honestly disgusting, there has to be legitimacy in governments both from religion, which is logical, and more earthly logic. Such totalitarianism is something that I will always fight against.

I understand that yeah. But that's the point of politics after all, fight out different views see which one works better.
Do like you from my end.