Christianity hates Indo-Europeans? Yamna DNA seems to inversely correlate with Christianisation date

[Celto-Germanic]

Of course there are many exceptions, and I know these ancestry maps aren't entirely accurate, but it stood out to me that the last paganist countries in europe - and the countries where the protestant reformation took off - coincidentally tend to have higher proportions of Yamna or IE linked DNA.







Lithuania was the last pagan nation in Europe, conquered by Teuton crusaders, and it has very high steppe admixture

[JamesBond007]

Who is highest in Yamna ? Norwegians , Lithuanians and Estonians ? Pretty the nations in Europe who have done almost nothing in the arts and sciences. French have lower Yamna but slaughter those nations in terms of achievements in the arts and sciences and if it wasn't for Britain and Germany, historically, they would be under the yoke of the greater Frankenreich or French empire.

[Celto-Germanic]

Who is highest in Yamna ? Norwegians , Lithuanians and Estonians ? Pretty the nations in Europe who have done almost nothing in the arts and sciences. French have lower Yamna but slaughter those nations in terms of achievements in the arts and sciences and if it wasn't for Britain and Germany, historically, they would be under the yoke of the greater Frankenreich or French empire.

No need to take anything so personally mate. I'm just making an observation. Also it's laughable to claim norwegians have done nothing for the arts and sciences.

[Creoda]

And your point is that people with higher PIE ancestry (Northern Europeans) are less inclined to Christianity? That maybe so, but the reason they were the last to be converted is a matter of geography and exposure to Rome, Christianity spread from the Middle East.

[Insuperable]

What a stupid thread.

[pulstar]

Thousandth time: "correlation does not imply causation".

[Creoda]

What a stupid thread.

The OP is making a habit of them, see the thread yesterday complaining that the Nordic example on Wikipedia had ugly glasses.

[Radimir]

I always say Ragnarök already happened. It occurred in the form of Abrahamic religions which killed off the old gods of Europe.

[sean]

Simply because Indo-European pagans survived on Pastoralism (livestock herding on horseback), like ancient cowboys with swords and chariots instead of rifles and wagons, so conversion in Northern Europe happened in one of three ways:

1. Political (in the case of Balts, some Slavs, Scandinavians and some Germanic peoples in continental Europe):

A king or other leader would “convert” for reasons such as forming a marriage alliance (like Jogaila did in Lithuania and Æthelberht in England) or to prevent war with a Christian state/kingdom.

2. In the instance of peoples like the Irish, missionaries would straight up lie and tell them that Christianity was essentially their original faith and that paganism was demonic subversion that their ancestors fell for.

3. Force:

Lithuania was the last pagan country in Europe and regularly sent back the chopped off heads of priests sent by the Catholic Church to convert the population. The Catholic Church spent about 300 years trying to convert the various Baltic tribes to Christianity, using larger and better equipped armies. In the end, they converted to Christianity out of political convenience and gave the Germans one of the worst historical defeats in their entire history, alongside the Poles, at the Battle of Grunwald.

Besides, most Northern Europeans prior to the Reformation were only nominally Christian.

[JamesBond007]

No need to take anything so personally mate. I'm just making an observation. Also it's laughable to claim norwegians have done nothing for the arts and sciences.

Whose the Norwegian equivalents of Newton, Darwin, Kepler, Laplace, Lamark, Lavosier , Faraday , Galileo, Euler, Gauss, Fermat, Descartes, Pasteur, Watt, Edison, Da Vinci, Aristotle, Plaot, Kant, Descartes , Hegel, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Michaelangelo, Picasso, Raphael, Titian, Rembrandt , Durer, Shakespeare, Goethe etc...etc.. ? I could be here all day naming people

The only Norwegian I know of is Ibsen that is worth any mention but Shakespeare, Goethe, Dante, Virgil , Homer, Rousseau, Voltaire, Moliere , Byron etc.. blow him out of the water.