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  • Ionian islands

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  • Crete

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Thread: Genetically closest Greek region to Sicily?

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    Default Genetically closest Greek region to Sicily?

    Have we ever come to a conclusion on this?

    Based on these, all of the islanders are roughly equidistant, but the mainlanders all further: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...s-and-mainland

    Based on other studies they just put them in a continuum with Crete, Dodecanese, and the southernmost Peloponnesians.

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    Going based on distances to the Sicilian reference population this is what we have, based on average of the distances in PuntDNA-L K13 of the results I have run.

    It seems like Sicilians are actually closer to the non-Cretan islanders, than to Cretans though some of the other islands shift toward the mainland more. Thessaly is by far the furthest away result, in "other mainland".

    Ikaria and Cyclades had the most textbook Sicilian-like results, but overall Dodecanese islanders seem to be closer than the North Aegean, so if you had to take an island group AS A WHOLE it must be Dodecanese. Cyclades has some outliers that shift too far to the mainland.

    North Aegean: 2.94, 2.98, 3.36, 3.78, 4.19, 4.43, 5.5, 5.51, 5.93, 6.71, 7.05, 8.08, 9.68
    Cyclades: 3.12, 3.62, 3.77, 3.98, 4.93, 5.36, 5.53, 5.64, 9.34, 9.36
    Dodecanese: 3.97, 4.59, 4.5, 4.75, 5.03, 5.1, 5.2, 5.57, 5.77, 6.08, 6.2, 6.44, 6.93, 7.15, 7.18
    Crete: 4, 5.07, 5.11, 6.29, 6.87, 8.35
    Kefalonia: 2.46, 6.85, 7.76
    Laconia: 9.22
    Peloponnese: 5.47, 10.12, 11.34
    Other Mainland: 8.28, 8.53, 8.88, 9.62, 9.81, 9.82, 10.06, 10.87, 11.36, 11.93, 12.8, 13.01
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    Ionian Islands

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    Quote Originally Posted by joannadi38 View Post
    Ionian Islands
    Ionian islands have Italian input, but the south Aegean is more like Sicily.

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    Ionian islands, Kythira.
    Or South Aegean Cyclades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK-47 View Post
    Ionian islands, Kythira.
    Or South Aegean Cyclades.
    In my experience it depends on the individual but it is probably eastern Crete. Western Crete has some "northern" type admixture making them more like the Cyclades.

    Ionian islands are too genetically north to be Sicilian. I don't know why people think this. Is it because they have known Italian influence? That was Venetian, not southern Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    In my experience it depends on the individual but it is probably eastern Crete. Western Crete has some "northern" type admixture making them more like the Cyclades.

    Ionian islands are too genetically north to be Sicilian. I don't know why people think this. Is it because they have known Italian influence? That was Venetian, not southern Italian.
    Do you think the very high levels of J2 in Crete, matches up to Sicilian levels of J2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK-47 View Post
    Do you think the very high levels of J2 in Crete, matches up to Sicilian levels of J2?
    I'm not going by haplogroups but autosomal DNA.

    Why do you think the Ionian islands are similar to Sicily? They are more similar to Peloponnesians (Ionians are).

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    It seems that Cyclades are way closer to Peloponnese than Dodecanese or Eastern Crete. I would say Dodecanese Islands are closest to Western Siciliy. Maybe Cyclades/West Crete/Maniots are farily close to Eastern Siciliy and then the rest of the Peloponnese to Abruzzo, Apulia, Marche (on a cline).
    Punt DNAL K15 Single Pop Sharing Tuscan 2.07
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing: 65.1% Tuscan+34.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.41
    Eurogenes K 13 Single Pop Sharing Greek Thessaly 3.72
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing 69.5% South_Italian+30.5% Hungarian @ 2.56
    MDLP K 16 Single Pop Sharing Greek (Greece) 3.62
    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing: 58.3% Greek (Macedonia)+41.7% Italian (Bergamo)@ 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I'm not going by haplogroups but autosomal DNA.

    Why do you think the Ionian islands are similar to Sicily? They are more similar to Peloponnesians (Ionians are).
    Kythira was the only Ionian island that I was referring to.
    Not the others.

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