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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    This impending civil war will have Kurds on both camps...You are a dipshit and hence dont know what's coming, but you as a Greek should prepare yourself accordingly. Also getting tossed off NATO
    Imo, Kurds will rise up (as they should), and Greece will invade northern cyprus while Turkey is distracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    What a fun conspiracy. I am all for purely ethnic borders, but Sevres was not ethnic at all, it was a punishment, like with Germany losing thr Danzig corridor which was mostly populated by Germans (conversly only part of thr majority Polish part of Silesia was given to Poland for some reason also.
    You are not well versed in history. The Turks comprized a mere 55% of the population in "Turkey" at the beginning of the 20th century. Then they started massacring all minorities they could get their hands on, and of course the Italians planned to create their own little colony in Turkey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    (conversly only part of thr majority Polish part of Silesia was given to Poland for some reason also.
    They were win in fight.
    And these were lands with polish majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    They were win in fight.
    Yeah in WW2. I at talking about following WW1. Poland fought and won it's eastern land against the Soviets in 1920, but Poles have since been deported from that area and resettled in the areas Germans were deported from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    You are not well versed in history. The Turks comprized a mere 55% of the population in "Turkey" at the beginning of the 20th century. Then they started massacring all minorities they could get their hands on, and of course the Italians planned to create their own little colony in Turkey...
    Yeah, because 'Turkey' at the time included the levant and a bit of thr Balkans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    Yeah, because 'Turkey' at the time included the levant and a bit of thr Balkans...
    No, I mean the part which is Turkey today, I did not include the Levant or the Balkans, because with those regions the Turks would definitely be a minority of less than 50%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    No, I mean the part which is Turkey today, I did not include the Levant or the Balkans, because with those regions the Turks would definitely be a minority of less than 50%
    Really doubt it, Greek minoritt in Anatolia only really existed in the Black Sea coast by that point, Kurdish regions were much less densely populated. The genocides affected the composition, Turks were already the majority in every region of Turkey other than where they still arent, Kurdistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekarotuinen View Post
    Really doubt it, Greek minoritt in Anatolia only really existed in the Black Sea coast by that point, Kurdish regions were much less densely populated. The genocides affected the composition, Turks were already the majority in every region of Turkey other than where they still arent, Kurdistan.
    Most of the recent genocides in Turkey happened between 1900 and 1925, that's why I used 1900 as a starting point.

    The Greek minority in Anatolia was stronger in the Aegean sea, with the Black sea being less densely populated than the Aegean coast. Have you ever seen a map of that time?

    No legit maps of Ottoman demographics exist, nevertheless, I have some statistics from 1906:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...Ottoman_census

    1905-1906 Ottoman census


    • Population maps 1905-1906, 1914


    • 1905-1906 (printed in 1911)


    • Muslim population in the Ottoman vilayets (1907)


    • Muslim population in the Ottoman sanjaks

    After 1893 the Ottoman Empire established a statistics authority (Istatistik-i Umumi Idaresi) under which results of another official census was published in 1899.
    Istatistik-i Umumi Idaresi conducted a new census survey for which field work lasted two years (1905–06). 2-3 million people in Iraq and Syria remained unregistered and uncounted.[7] As a factual note this survey's complete (total) documentation was not published. Results of regional studies on this data were published later, which were sorted by their publication date. Included in the publication and subsequent ones was the Ottoman Empire's population as of 1911, 1912, and 1914. The substantial archival documentation on the census has been used in many modern studies and international publications. After 1906 the Ottoman Empire began to disband and a chain of violent wars such as the Italo-Turkish War, Balkan Wars and World War I drastically changed the region, its borders, and its demographics.
    Population distribution of the Millets in the Ottoman Empire in 1906, according to the official census[8]-[9]
    Millet Inhabitants % of total
    Muslimsa 15,498,747 - 15,518,478 76.09% - 74.23%
    Greeksb 2,823,065 - 2,833,370 13.86% - 13.56%
    Armeniansc 1,031,708 - 1,140,563 5.07% - 5.46%
    Bulgarians 761,530 - 762,754 3.74% - 3.65%
    Jews 253,435 - 256,003 1.24% - 1.23%
    Protestantsd 53,880 0.26%
    Othersd 332,569 1.59%
    Total 20,368,485 - 20,897,617 100.00%
    Notes: a The Muslim Millet includes all Muslims. The largest of them being Turks, Arabs and Kurds.
    b The Greek Millet includes all Christians part of the Greek Orthodox Church. This includes Slavs and Albanians.
    c This includes the various Christian Churches.
    d The first source doesn't include Protestants and "others".
    Unfortunately the statistics include the half the Balkans and the Levant, but if you consider that the Levant under the Ottomans had more population than the Balkans under the Ottomans at 1906 and take into account that virtually all Turks and Kurds were Muslims, you can reason why the 76.09% - 74.23% of Muslims in the Ottoman empire correspond to a mere 55% of Turks within Turkey at approximately 1900...
    Last edited by Petros Houhoulis; 07-22-2017 at 11:55 PM.

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