Two Greek results from Florina, West Macedonia. VERY Bulgarian shifted

[Sikeliot]

These are the type of Greek results I cannot help but think have Slavic influence. They are greatly removed from Sicilians/Cretans.

They are like Thessalians but shift north.

Florina, western Macedonia.

#1:

Spoiler!

Dodecad:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.59
2 Atlantic_Med 27.42
3 North_European 27.25
4 Gedrosia 6.86
5 Southwest_Asian 6.83
6 Northwest_African 2.21
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Southeast_Asian 0.4
9 East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.8
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.7
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.35
4 Romanians (Behar) 9.54
5 Greek (Dodecad) 11.2
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.29
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.96
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.04
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.35
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.88
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.93
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.22
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.53
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.8
15 Hungarians (Behar) 22.82
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.26
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.67
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.72
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.36
20 French (HGDP) 25.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.4% German (Dodecad) + 46.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.65
2 57.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.89
3 53.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 46.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.9
4 60.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.6% German (Dodecad) @ 3.03
5 57.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.04
6 77.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.13
7 55.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 44.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.21
8 55.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 44.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.38
9 68.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 31.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.59
10 50.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 49.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.63
11 71.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 28.8% German (Dodecad) @ 3.66
12 55.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 44.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.67
13 77.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.67
14 59.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 40.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.69
15 68.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 31.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.75
16 77.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.76
17 69.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.7% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.77
18 55.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 44.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.77
19 57.2% Romanians (Behar) + 42.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.79
20 78% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.86



Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.44
2 North_Sea 16.63
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 13.15
5 Atlantic 12.68
6 Baltic 11.8
7 Eastern_Euro 7.83
8 Red_Sea 1.46
9 Siberian 0.73
10 Southeast_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.41
2 Bulgarian 7.55
3 Greek 7.97
4 Romanian 8.37
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.29
6 Central_Greek 10.48
7 Ashkenazi 11.14
8 Tuscan 11.28
9 Serbian 11.35
10 East_Sicilian 11.82
11 West_Sicilian 12.81
12 South_Italian 14.04
13 North_Italian 14.65
14 Moldavian 16.57
15 Italian_Jewish 18.03
16 Hungarian 18.17
17 Austrian 18.67
18 Croatian 18.95
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.24
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Central_Greek + 25.2% Finnish @ 3.68
2 64.5% Central_Greek + 35.5% Hungarian @ 3.7
3 76.6% Central_Greek + 23.4% Estonian @ 3.88
4 89% Greek_Thessaly + 11% North_Swedish @ 3.99
5 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% Finnish @ 3.99
6 74.5% Greek_Thessaly + 25.5% Serbian @ 4
7 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.02
8 72.1% Central_Greek + 27.9% Ukrainian @ 4.02
9 67.1% Greek_Thessaly + 32.9% Romanian @ 4.03
10 57.4% Hungarian + 42.6% Cyprian @ 4.03
11 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% East_Finnish @ 4.04
12 74.7% Central_Greek + 25.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.09
13 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Swedish @ 4.14
14 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% North_German @ 4.16
15 75.7% Central_Greek + 24.3% East_Finnish @ 4.16
16 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Danish @ 4.18
17 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Hungarian @ 4.18
18 52.3% East_German + 47.7% Cyprian @ 4.19
19 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% Norwegian @ 4.19
20 71.4% Central_Greek + 28.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.2



PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 36.44
2 NE_Europe 29.59
3 West_Asia 20.09
4 SW_Asia 9.41
5 Siberia 1.41
6 SE_Asia 1.05
7 NE_Asia 0.73
8 Oceania 0.57
9 South_Africa 0.35
10 South_Asia 0.27
11 West_Africa 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar 3.3
2 Albanian 3.69
3 Greek_Thessaly 4.35
4 Bulgarian 4.44
5 Macedonian 4.78
6 Italian_Tuscan 5.64
7 Romanian 7.1
8 Montenegrin 7.26
9 Greek_Central 9.22
10 Serbian 9.51
11 Italian_Bergamo 9.65
12 Italian_Abruzzo 10.16
13 Bosnian 13.36
14 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.08
15 Spaniard 15.1
16 Croatian 15.15
17 Italian_Sicilian 15.29
18 Moldavian 15.47
19 French 16.34
20 Hungarian 17.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Kosovar + 9.6% Tatar @ 1.59
2 89.3% Albanian + 10.7% Tatar @ 1.69
3 92.4% Kosovar + 7.6% Chuvash @ 1.73
4 61.5% French + 38.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.86
5 91.6% Albanian + 8.4% Chuvash @ 1.9
6 93.2% Kosovar + 6.8% Aluet @ 1.91
7 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Tatar @ 1.93
8 91.3% Albanian + 8.7% Mordovian @ 1.96
9 58.6% French + 41.4% Turkish @ 1.98
10 89.9% Greek_Thessaly + 10.1% Chuvash @ 2.02
11 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Mordovian @ 2.03
12 62% Spaniard + 38% Kumyk @ 2.04
13 92% Albanian + 8% Russian @ 2.09
14 96.1% Kosovar + 3.9% Selkup @ 2.11
15 92.5% Albanian + 7.5% Aluet @ 2.12
16 94% Albanian + 6% Finnish @ 2.16
17 90.3% Greek_Thessaly + 9.7% Russian @ 2.19
18 96.1% Kosovar + 3.9% Altaian @ 2.23
19 84% Albanian + 16% Moldavian @ 2.25
20 90.9% Greek_Thessaly + 9.1% Aluet @ 2.25


MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.98
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.09
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.04
4 Near_East 6.21
5 South_Central_Asian 6.08
6 North_African 3.63
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.58


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Northwest_ @ 3.196603
2 Kosovar_ @ 4.946487
3 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.179072
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.364901
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.399037
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.555983
7 Central_Greek_ @ 7.540971
8 Italian_North_ @ 8.762552
9 Bulgarian_ @ 9.356447
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.135035
11 Greek_ @ 10.273914
12 Gagauz_ @ 10.408391
13 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.649790
14 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.722865
15 Romanian_ @ 10.733406
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.187331
17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 11.230645
18 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 11.327681
19 Macedonian_ @ 11.385414
20 Sicilian_West_ @ 11.493690

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Italian_North_ @ 2.160010

#2:

Spoiler!

Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 North_European 29.38
2 Atlantic_Med 29.33
3 Caucasus 26.15
4 Southwest_Asian 8.38
5 Gedrosia 6.01
6 East_Asian 0.72
7 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.41
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.65
3 Romanians (Behar) 8.7
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.11
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.9
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.05
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.31
8 Greek (Dodecad) 13.47
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.68
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.84
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.14
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.24
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.22
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.28
15 Hungarians (Behar) 20.4
16 French (HGDP) 22.88
17 French (Dodecad) 22.9
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 23.01
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 23.49
20 German (Dodecad) 23.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.3% German (Dodecad) + 41.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.99
2 51.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.11
3 72.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 27.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
4 51% Cypriots (Behar) + 49% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
5 72.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 27.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.31
6 80.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.31
7 83.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.37
8 64% Greek (Dodecad) + 36% German (Dodecad) @ 2.41
9 83.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.43
10 82% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.43
11 85.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.46
12 83% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 17% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.49
13 83.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.5
14 86.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 13.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.56
15 83.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.3% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.6
16 54% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 46% German (Dodecad) @ 2.7
17 86.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 13.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.84
18 81.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.86
19 67.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.87
20 51.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.5% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.87


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.05
2 North_Sea 18.78
3 West_Med 16.26
4 Baltic 12.86
5 Atlantic 10.91
6 West_Asian 10.61
7 Eastern_Euro 6.28
8 Red_Sea 2.48
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Amerindian 0.32
11 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.13
2 Bulgarian 9.08
3 Romanian 9.46
4 Greek 9.87
5 Tuscan 11.47
6 Serbian 11.84
7 Central_Greek 11.89
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.05
9 Ashkenazi 12.16
10 East_Sicilian 12.78
11 West_Sicilian 13.89
12 North_Italian 14.23
13 South_Italian 15.12
14 Moldavian 16.59
15 Hungarian 17.74
16 Italian_Jewish 18.64
17 Croatian 19.05
18 Austrian 19.15
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.44
20 Portuguese 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Swedish @ 3.07
2 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.12
3 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% North_Swedish @ 3.12
4 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Norwegian @ 3.17
5 84.6% Greek_Thessaly + 15.4% West_German @ 3.37
6 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% Finnish @ 3.44
7 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% Hungarian @ 3.53
8 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% North_Dutch @ 3.54
9 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.56
10 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Danish @ 3.62
11 89.9% Greek_Thessaly + 10.1% Estonian @ 3.7
12 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% Orcadian @ 3.72
13 86% Greek_Thessaly + 14% East_German @ 3.74
14 88.3% Greek_Thessaly + 11.7% North_German @ 3.76
15 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% East_Finnish @ 3.8
16 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% West_Scottish @ 3.8
17 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% Irish @ 3.85
18 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Ukrainian @ 3.85
19 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Southeast_English @ 3.86
20 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% Southwest_English @ 3.88


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 35.25
2 NE_Europe 31.55
3 West_Asia 19.09
4 SW_Asia 10.9
5 Siberia 1.46
6 NE_Asia 0.52
7 Americas 0.46
8 South_Asia 0.36
9 South_Africa 0.18
10 Oceania 0.16
11 SE_Asia 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.42
2 Macedonian 3.53
3 Kosovar 4.74
4 Romanian 5.23
5 Albanian 5.27
6 Montenegrin 5.53
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.04
8 Italian_Tuscan 6.88
9 Serbian 7.95
10 Italian_Bergamo 10.21
11 Greek_Central 10.7
12 Bosnian 11.52
13 Italian_Abruzzo 11.63
14 Croatian 13.46
15 Moldavian 13.54
16 Spaniard 14.85
17 French 15.19
18 Ashkenazy_Jew 15.46
19 Hungarian 16.11
20 Slovene 16.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 27.3% Mordovian @ 0.93
2 74% Italian_Abruzzo + 26% Russian @ 1.1
3 89.8% Albanian + 10.2% Finnish @ 1.27
4 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% Finnish @ 1.51
5 86% Albanian + 14% Mordovian @ 1.61
6 86.8% Albanian + 13.2% Russian @ 1.64
7 54.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 45.8% Slovak @ 1.65
8 51.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 48.1% Slovene @ 1.67
9 61.5% French + 38.5% Turkish @ 1.67
10 88.4% Macedonian + 11.6% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.7
11 58.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 41.2% German_North @ 1.72
12 58.3% Italian_Sicilian + 41.7% Ukrainian @ 1.73
13 65.9% German_South + 34.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.77
14 64.2% French + 35.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.77
15 60.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 1.79
16 52.2% Italian_Sicilian + 47.8% Slovak @ 1.8
17 64.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 35.9% Swedish @ 1.81
18 53.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 46.1% Moldavian @ 1.83
19 84.2% Greek_Thessaly + 15.8% Mordovian @ 1.84
20 63.4% Italian_Sicilian + 36.6% Belarusian @ 1.85



MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.13
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.61
3 European_Early_Farmers 21.75
4 Near_East 8.09
5 South_Central_Asian 3.43
6 East_Siberian 1.73
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.34


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.884960
2 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.162174
3 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.480051
4 Kosovar_ @ 5.643386
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.663758
6 Greek_Northwest_ @ 5.860005
7 Gagauz_ @ 6.971461
8 Bulgarian_ @ 7.660244
9 Central_Greek_ @ 8.165841
10 Macedonian_ @ 8.495075
11 Romanian_ @ 9.687947
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.911022
13 Greek_ @ 10.331384
14 Montenegrian_ @ 11.087031
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.948113
16 Italian_North_ @ 11.954355
17 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 12.095549
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.528255
19 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 12.841938
20 Serb_Serbia_ @ 13.401030

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Macedonian_ @ 3.106889

[Enflamme]

The distances are not really close ... it's 8.00 or 7.00 or 9.00

[Sikeliot]

The distances are not really close ... it's 8.00 or 7.00 or 9.00

They're like half Sicilian and half Hungarian, and score Bulgarian much closer than southern Italian when usually they are equidistant. Think of it this way. Hell, they're even closer to SERBS than to Sicilians.

Anyway this is what a lot of mountain-dwelling mainlanders might score.

[Enflamme]

They're like half Sicilian and half Hungarian, and score Bulgarian much closer than southern Italian when usually they are equidistant. Think of it this way. Hell, they're even closer to SERBS than to Sicilians.

Anyway this is what a lot of mountain-dwelling mainlanders might score.

It's not really close, as I said. It's very approximate. Only a genetic test and a comparison between the genetics of the different populations could confirm whether there is a "Slavic influence" or not.

It is not with a calculator made by people that you will know that.

[Sikeliot]

It's not really close, as I said. It's very approximate. Only a genetic test and a comparison between the genetics of the different populations could confirm whether there is a "Slavic influence" or not.

It is not with a calculator made by people that you will know that.

They shift very far northeast for Greeks such that they are like someone who is half Hungarian and half Sicilian.

[Catholic Riffs]

What are their haplogroups? None of this is interesting.

[Lavrentis]

As Enflamme said, the difference is not big.

Btw in the outskirts of Florina there are villages who still speak Slavic. There are people who have been assimilated but their grandparents can easily speak Slavic (the Slavic dialects in question are closer to Bulgarian and Slavic-Macedonian).

[Coolguy1]

Im actually surprised that their distances aren't closer to Bulgarians. The people of Florina are mostly of a Slavic speaking background.

[Skerdilaid]

Do you have their halpogroups?

[Sikeliot]

Im actually surprised that their distances aren't closer to Bulgarians. The people of Florina are mostly of a Slavic speaking background.

Even today? The people to whom these results belong have Greek names, not Slavic ones.

Still, compared to Cretans or Sicilians, or even to Peloponnesians these have a significant NE European shift, almost 30% on Dodecad K12b. This is 3x as high as in some Sicilians.