Two Greek results from Florina, West Macedonia. VERY Bulgarian shifted

[Ibericus]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916

#2
88.0% Greek_Thessaly + 12.0% Norwegian @ 4.229
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% Norwegian @ 4.244
87.0% Greek_Thessaly + 13.0% Norwegian @ 4.254
90.0% Greek_Thessaly + 10.0% Norwegian @ 4.299
86.0% Greek_Thessaly + 14.0% Norwegian @ 4.318
91.0% Greek_Thessaly + 9.0% Norwegian @ 4.392
85.0% Greek_Thessaly + 15.0% Norwegian @ 4.42
92.0% Greek_Thessaly + 8.0% Norwegian @ 4.522
84.0% Greek_Thessaly + 16.0% Norwegian @ 4.557
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% North_Swedish @ 4.607

[Sikeliot]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916

Crete is obviously similar to Sicily, so this mirrors my estimate of them being halfway between Sicily and Hungary.

[Voskos]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916

#2
88.0% Greek_Thessaly + 12.0% Norwegian @ 4.229
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% Norwegian @ 4.244
87.0% Greek_Thessaly + 13.0% Norwegian @ 4.254
90.0% Greek_Thessaly + 10.0% Norwegian @ 4.299
86.0% Greek_Thessaly + 14.0% Norwegian @ 4.318
91.0% Greek_Thessaly + 9.0% Norwegian @ 4.392
85.0% Greek_Thessaly + 15.0% Norwegian @ 4.42
92.0% Greek_Thessaly + 8.0% Norwegian @ 4.522
84.0% Greek_Thessaly + 16.0% Norwegian @ 4.557
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% North_Swedish @ 4.607

when you have the time if ever, can you retry mine since you now added a cretan sample?

im from crete

North_Sea 12.00
Atlantic 10.22
Baltic 4.92
Eastern_Euro 3.86
West_Med 16.32
West_Asian 15.14
East_Med 28.44
Red_Sea 7.02
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.97
Northeast_African 1.12
Sub-Saharan -

[Coolguy1]

Even today? The people to whom these results belong have Greek names, not Slavic ones.

Still, compared to Cretans or Sicilians, or even to Peloponnesians these have a significant NE European shift, almost 30% on Dodecad K12b. This is 3x as high as in some Sicilians.

Yes even today. Thats why when we are talking about Greek autosomal results it is important to differentiate between the different regions. Macedonians from Grevena, Kozani, Veria, Chalkidiki, southern Serres region, Katerini etc have historically been Greek speakers. Those in Florina, Edessa, and some other more northern parts spoke and continue to speak Slavic. That being said, these results confirm one thing, that these Slavic speakers of northern Greek Macedonia are a Greco/Slav hybrid. They dont seem to be as Slavic as their neighbors to the north who speak the same language.

[Sikeliot]

Yes even today. Thats why when we are talking about Greek autosomal results it is important to differentiate between the different regions. Macedonians from Grevena, Kozani, Veria, Chalkidiki, southern Serres region, Katerini etc have historically been Greek speakers. Those in Florina, Edessa, and some other more northern parts spoke and continue to speak Slavic. That being said, these results confirm one thing, that these Slavic speakers of northern Greek Macedonia are a Greco/Slav hybrid. They dont seem to be as Slavic as their neighbors to the north who speak the same language.

I just posted people from Thessaloniki who are similar to these:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ria-and-Sicily

[Coolguy1]

I just posted people from Thessaloniki who are similar to these:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ria-and-Sicily

No one is originally from Thessaloniki, they're parents must have come from other parts of Macedonia, I wouldnt be surprised if they were from a Slavic speaking background like these guys.

[Coolguy1]

Btw, please post their eurogenes k13 and k36

[Ibericus]

when you have the time if ever, can you retry mine since you now added a cretan sample?

im from crete

North_Sea 12.00
Atlantic 10.22
Baltic 4.92
Eastern_Euro 3.86
West_Med 16.32
West_Asian 15.14
East_Med 28.44
Red_Sea 7.02
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.97
Northeast_African 1.12
Sub-Saharan -

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...genesK15/page8

[Sikeliot]

No one is originally from Thessaloniki, they're parents must have come from other parts of Macedonia, I wouldnt be surprised if they were from a Slavic speaking background like these guys.

I don't know how we can say this conclusively. The results are also similar to people I have posted from Thessaly and from Epirus, I gather these are common results for the northern mainland, which at one point had a much larger Slavic speaking community that assimilated.

[Coolguy1]

I don't know how we can say this conclusively. The results are also similar to people I have posted from Thessaly and from Epirus, I gather these are common results for the northern mainland, which at one point had a much larger Slavic speaking community that assimilated.

At the same time we have to ask ourselves, were the ancient inhabitants of the Florina area Sicilian like? I really doubt it, they were probably even more northern shifted than ancient Greeks who lived further south.