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    Poland was once the pinnacle of democracy in central Europe after the collapse of the Soviet Union — home to the Solidarity movement and Lech Walesa. But as the country lurches to the right politically, joining countries like Hungary, it may find its position in the European Union, and as a democratic country, threatened

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    Lawmakers in the lower house of parliament, which is controlled by the ruling far-right Law and Justice Party (PiS), have passed a bill that would force 83 of the nation’s top judges to resign and will give the governing party control over who replaces them.

    In Poland, the Supreme Court is not only the final court of appeal for all criminal and civil cases, but also the body that rules on the validity of elections — which is exactly what concerns the EU and political opponents.

    Christian Davies, who reports for The Guardian in Warsaw, says the proposed laws makes judges dependent on the patronage of the ruling part.

    “When the ruling party can choose who can sit on each case ... then, you no longer have proper separation of powers,” says Davies. “That has very worrying implications for human rights and democracy and the rule of law.”

    Marta Lempart, a leading activist in Poland, has been planning protests against the PiS-controlled government since it came to power in 2015. And although she says she is proud of the protesters that came to the streets following the announcement of this controversial reform, she is devastated by the passing of this most recent bill.

    “We lost. We don’t have a Western judicial system, a European judicial system anymore,” Lempart says. “We have an Eastern, back-to-the-communist-times judicial system now.”

    Donald Tusk, former Polish prime minister and current president of the European Council, issued a statement that echoed Lempart’s words. Tusk wrote that the Law and Justice Party was reversing decades of progress, adding that the latest developments move Poland "backwards and eastwards.”

    This week, the European Commission met to discuss the rule of law in Poland. The EU warned Poland that if it passed these laws, the commission would consider triggering Article 7, a never-before-used sanction of an EU member that would result in Poland having its voting rights suspended.

    "Recent measures taken by the Polish authorities on the judicial system greatly amplify the threat to the rule of law in Poland," European Commission Vice President Frans Timmermans said on Wednesday.

    “We don’t want to be removed from the European Union. We want to be a part of the European Union as a partner,” says Sakiewicz. “If we are a partner, it doesn’t mean that we must do everything that they want from us.”

    Now that the bill has passed through the lower house of parliament, it is in the hands of PiS-aligned President Andrzej Duda.

    “It’s up to the president — if he signs the three acts that destroy the judicial system in Poland,” Lempart says.

    Thousands of protesters across the country took to the streets to plead with Duda to veto these bills that would essentially give him the power to influence the highest courts.


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    well, all Poles in EU will have to leave EU countries and go back to Poland

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    Well, great news. At last, Polish President Andrzej Duda has announced he is vetoing this controversial law that would have replaced Supreme Court judges with government nominees.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40703909

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    Democracy is overrated.

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    You want Poland to open borders eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMischief View Post
    Poland was once the pinnacle of democracy in central Europe after the collapse of the Soviet Union — home to the Solidarity movement and Lech Walesa. But as the country lurches to the right politically, joining countries like Hungary, it may find its position in the European Union, and as a democratic country, threatened
    As usuall, [tfu!] democrats, are contradicting themselves.

    'Law and Justice' was DEMOCRATICALLY elected - people DEMOCRATICALLY
    gave them the right to rule and to change the acts, as they want too, as
    they promised to do or as they think it will be the best.

    These who now are loudly crying about [tfu!] democracy
    are silly, becasue they are against democracy per se.

    More than that - this "Commitee of Defending the Democracy" was
    founded by frauds, cheaters and one was even a dealer of women.

    [tfu!] Democrats defending [tfu!] democracy against [tfu!] democracy...

    Typical euromodern stupidity...
    Last edited by Rethel; 07-24-2017 at 08:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMischief View Post
    Well, great news. At last, Polish President Andrzej Duda has announced he is vetoing this controversial law
    Becasue in the Senate they voted wrong act, () and the new law
    would be invalid anyway, being a problem since the beginning for ruling party.

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    The EU and the "democrats" are afraid to lose power to the Polish people and now call it stepping away from democracy. When the Polish people have democratically decided to elect the representants they want

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazik View Post
    The EU and the "democrats" are afraid to lose power to the Polish people and now call it stepping away from democracy. When the Polish people have democratically decided to elect the representants they want
    Becasue democracy is only then, when are elected these which should be elected
    When are democratically elected those who shouldn't be elected, then it is not democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Becasue democracy is only then, when are elected these which should be elected
    When are democratically elected those who shouldn't be elected, then it is not democratic.
    R1a = the haplogroup of men who don't let themselves be ruled by the EU and other shit

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