"IE" got cucked by the N1c Asiatic Proto-Finns

[nightrider+]

This was more or less known but now we have strong scientific evidence.

In Europe, modern mitochondrial diversity is relatively homogeneous and suggests an ubiquitous rapid population growth since the Neolithic revolution. Similar patterns also have been observed in mitochondrial control region data in Finland, which contrasts with the distinctive autosomal and Y-chromosomal diversity among Finns. A different picture emerges from the 843 whole mitochondrial genomes from modern Finns analyzed here. Up to one third of the subhaplogroups can be considered as Finn-characteristic, i.e. rather common in Finland but virtually absent or rare elsewhere in Europe. Bayesian phylogenetic analyses suggest that most of these attributed Finnish lineages date back to around 3,000–5,000 years, coinciding with the arrival of Corded Ware culture and agriculture into Finland. Bayesian estimation of past effective population sizes reveals two differing demographic histories: 1) the ‘local’ Finnish mtDNA haplotypes yielding small and dwindling size estimates for most of the past; and 2) the ‘immigrant’ haplotypes showing growth typical of most European populations. The results based on the local diversity are more in line with that known about Finns from other studies, e.g., Y-chromosome analyses and archaeology findings. The mitochondrial gene pool thus may contain signals of local population history that cannot be readily deduced from the total diversity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05673-7

[Harkonnen]

Unfortunately you are making all the wrong conclusions.

Mind you, geneticists are often ignorant about linguistics, so it appears the paper presumes that the Finnish specific mtDnas arrived to Finland with "Corded Warean Proto Finns (Uralics)".
So they just got some dating done on the haplos and attached it to the first culture linked to Finland that fits the dating. But obviously these haplos could have been really anywhere during that timeframe.

Corded Ware is usually presumed to be Indo-European speaking. As such it would not be most economical reasoning to attach these Finnish specific mtdnas to the early Corded Ware in Finland. In any case these haplos (mainly some U5b lineages) obviously are not IE as they are not found in neither early IEs or their modern descendants.

The early Corded Ware in Finland left no ancestry to modern Finns. The climate cooled down, and these people moved out or died.

So are these Finnish specific mtdnas (mainly U5b) proto-Finnic and or Uralic in nature.

Possibly yes. It would fit well what I think the Uralians are.

It is obvious that any East Eurasian ancestry in Finns comes from the aboriginal Finnlander girls, not from the Finnics.

When you compare the relation between x-chromosome and autosomal dna it shows that there was never any expansion of Eastern men in Finnish population history:



The X/A balance in relation to WHG and Neolithic Farmers is equal to Cagliari and Arzana.

Where did the Eastern mothers come from?

The ancient Scythians and Hungarians had Steppic Eastern lineages, in other words Altai, Mongolia and thereabouts.

Finnish and Saami East Eurasian mtDNA lineages are different as they are Siberian.

Recently results came in for the Levänluhta Iron Age site in Ostrobothnia.The results were as I had expected:

Abstract: The population history of Finland is subject of an ongoing debate, in particular with respect to the relationship and origins of modern Finnish and Saami people. Here we analyse genome-wide data, extracted from three teeth found in the archaeological site of Levänluhta, in southern Ostrobothnia.
The site dates back to the Iron Age between 550-800 AD, according to the artefacts recovered, while radiocarbon dating on scattered femurs from the site span 350-730 AD.

When analysed together with previously published ancient European samples and with modern European populations, the ancient Finnish samples lack a genetic component found in early Neolithic Farmers and all modern European populations today. Instead, we find that they are more closely related to modern Siberian and East Asian populations than modern Finnish are, a pattern also observed in genetic data from modern Saami.

Our results suggest that the ancestral Saami population 1500 years ago, inhabited a larger region than today, extending as far south as Levänluhta. Such a scenario is also supported by linguistic evidence suggesting most of Finland to have been speaking Saami languages before 1000 AD. We also observe genetic differences between modern Saami and our ancient samples, which are likely to have arisen due to admixture with Finnish people during the last 1500 years.

The higher East Eurasian in pre-Finnic Finland is to be expected as the region has belonged at least from the Bronze Age to a North Siberian Ykhmyakhtakh cultural sphere.

Material from Bolshoy Olenii Ostrov, dated 2000 BC. BOO cemetary is located at Kola-peninsula. Kola-peninsula is at the northeast of Fennoscandian Shield. Area is maritime part of the arctic tundra zone.



Sorsele ceramic from northern Sweden



Vardöy ceramics from northern Norway:



Ceramics from the Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov cemetary:



What is Ymyakhtakh exactly?

Ymyakhtakh is a large late neolithic archeological horizon. It's origins lie somewhere in between the upstream southern Lena-river at Yakut Republic (Sakha) and river Yenisei , both of Russian Siberia (note that these run from upstream-south to downstream-north). From there is spread far and wide, even reaching farwest at the Fennoscandian shield. Eastern extreme (or actually western) lies in the arctic Americas. Over the time this large cultural horizon split to local traditions and daughter cultures.

Ymyakhtakh culture is associated with Yukaghiric people and languages.

BOO-site has been recently examined by physical anthropologists and geneticisist. Both have independently come to conclusion that the buried people were mainly of arctic Asian stock.Vyacheslav Moiseyev and Valery Khartanovich from St. Petersburg Museum of Anthropology and Ethnography concluded that the bones found from the site belonged to Asian people. Clio Der Sirkassian, geneticist, concluded that the maternal dna (mithocodrial dna) of the bones belonged to mainly arctic Asians and minor part was of local west Eurasian ancestry.

Burials at the site had strong maritime arctic association. Most of the material artifacts were made of bone, which is typical for arctic Eurasian cultures. Graves were modelled after canoes, which is typical Siberian fashion, derived from the Yukaghir culture. Sometimes the canoe is replaced by the sledge. Many Siberian people, including the Yukaghirs, call the drum of the Shaman as "Soul Boat". Shaman can travel between different worlds, world of the living and the world of the dead. Graves of the boat-shape are not thus so much connected with function of water-travelling but rather with spiritual aspect of the boat.

Now here comes the interesting part.

According to many recent papers East Eurasian admix in Finland is different to the one found in Volga Uralics. As in, in Finns it is indeed of the North Siberian type whereas in Volga it belongs to Mongolian Steppic type. If Siberian is absent in Volga, it is extremely likely Siberian in Finns and Saami comes from Ykhmyakhtak, whereas the Steppic Asian in Volga has been dated to migration period, likely having Turkic origin.

[Dandelion]

[kingjohn]

no .........
http://www.rachf1.com/uploads/5/4/4/...369798.jpg?557

p.s
and there mtdna is european i know a finnish woman who belong to my mtdna
and some american of norwegian ancestery with my mtdna

[Dandelion]

Their Y-DNA comes from m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

[Kamal900]

Their Y-DNA comes from a m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

Finns are only 8% non-European genetically in average, and they're one of the most lightest people in the world.

[kingjohn]

Their Y-DNA comes from a m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

so to you estonians and latvians are also mongolid they have high N1C haplogroup ????

p.s
have to agree for me they look like the mother of europeans blond blue eyes
i am not racist as you don't see me in clasifications forum
but if there is such thing as the nordic race than finns will be there in my eyes

[Rethel]

Finns are only 8% non-European genetically in average, and they're one of the most lightest people in the world.

But they came from Manchuria anyway. Changing the skin is just like changing the clothes.

[Harkonnen]

Their Y-DNA comes from a m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

Nonsense. Did you not read my post where I deducted that it was the other way round. There is not a single flaw in my logic. Proto-Uralic N1c1 were pure North Euro, very likely they didn't have even farmer admix.

[Rethel]

Proto-Uralic N1c1 were pure North Euro