Northern influence in Greeks.

[Lavrentis]

Clearly the obsession is your own since you feel the need to make a point with your thread. You also seriously need to pull our Albanian cocks out of your mouth and just stop bitching. The only Albanians on this post who are have an identity complex are the trolling J2 bros. Even they havent gone far as some of your own kin. I mean most these Albanians on here are fucking preteens and 20 year olds. Yet you have some of your compatriots pushing into their 50s calling themselves pure and everyone else gyspies. If anyone is obsessed with their genetics and need to feel relevant its clearly you.

I am extremely proud of looking Balkan. I am also proud of what genetic input I have that makes me me, be it Albanian, Greek, Italian, Asian w.e the fuck its mixed with. Its because I am not a xenophobic twat like you. Yes, I know exactly that Byzantines were not Greek, and a genetic mixture of different groups.

If you go far back enough, everyones related to some degree. I'm interested in colonizing space with the rest of the human race. I can give two shits what rock or old rotting ruins you think is your birth right. Or any Balkan person thinks for that matter.

If the Balkans were a united federation for mutual benefit, they would thrive and dominate Europe. You are too obsessed with your xenophobia though.

You should stop calling me xenophobic just because I don't want to associate myself and my country with the Balkans. I'm the exact opposite of xenophobic, and had a lot of Albanian friends. They were not retards like the Albanians here though.

[Dibran]

You should stop calling me xenophobic just because I don't want to associate myself and my country with the Balkans. I'm the exact opposite of xenophobic, and had a lot of Albanian friends. They were not retards like the Albanians here though.

Key word, had. Yea I have Greek friends too, and they are not like You or your ilk either. So the question remains, is the internet the vent for true colors? or do we just get so many of the retards on all sides? I admit some Albanians on here are vile. The difference is I don't join the vile ones to gang up on an entire ethnic group like many of you and yours(of course not all). Truth be told, most people in the Balkans just want to live and let live. It could be so simple, peace and common goal. But religion among other things divides people.

You want nothing to do with the Balkans, yet cant change the fact that your are apart of it, culturally, genetically, historically. When the powers that be are done with the Balkans, you and everyone will look to their neighbors for solutions.

We let east and west pin us all against each other. The attitude of some on here(including you) contribute to that problem. The only time I have come at you Greeks is for the vile disugst you spew against ALL Albanians. Ever see me get on some Greek users who are normal human beings? no...because they are not drinking the cool aid.

[Tauromachos]

This is my opinion: I think that it arrived in two primary waves: Dorians, and Slavs. The majority of NE European DNA in the southern parts of Greece is likely to be Dorian, though some Slavic would exist... in northern Greece most of it is likely Slavic. "Atlantic" type DNA clearly existed in Mycenaeans similar to what exists in Sardinia, Iberia, and western Europe overall.

Dorians?

Why are you all so obssesed with the theory that Dorians where foreign invadors
from the North?

All of this was made up mostly by some Germans in the 19-th century and pushed forward by National Socialists and their propaganda textbooks.!
For obvious reasons

Dorians were clearly a Hellenic"Greek" people and closer related to Ionians,Acheans than anything else.
The Mycannean Greeks in Pre-Doric times had already some Northern Ancestry,so it didn't came there with the Dorians and never by any invasion.
The ruling clans"Aristocracy" of the
Dorians traced their origins to local Mycannean lines.
They called themselfes "Heracleids" sons of Heraclis.

Northern can mean alot of things.
The Northern ancestry in Mycanneans was Steppe related ancestry from Pontus and North Iran.
There has never been an influx of Germanic tribes in Greece comparable to that of Northern Italy.

What existed where Slavs and Varanges"Vikings" in Byzantium.
The Vikings a Northern Sea people made early on contact with the Byzantines and had trade relations,they also often
served as mercenaries in the Byzantine army,this is were some of them probably became permanently assimilated and helleno-romanized.

As mentioned before somewhere in Ancient Greece there were Celts and Scythians who adopted Greek language and customs
and mixed at certain times with native Greeks.

Germanics were not known at all in ancient Greece.
They first made contact with the South in the West"Ancient Rome" long before any Germanic tribes man appeared in Greek lands.

Slavs were not known in the Ancient world as such neither.
What was known,were ancient Scythians'Hyberboreans'
the Northernmost people ever mentioned by the Ancient Greeks themselfes.

[brennus dux gallorum]

So lately this Forum has a dilemma: is the Northerh influence on Greeks Indo-European or Slavic?

1) Why not from Celts? Celtic invading tribes had even reached Peloponnese at one point.

2) Why don't they claim that is Germanic? For example, northern Greece was overrun by Germanic tribes, at one point they even reached Athens.

3) Anyone who has studied Byzantine history knows that the Byzantines slaughtered and expelled the Slavs who invaded Greece and settled them in Asia Minor other massacres followed, since the Slavs were rebellious and the Byzantines didn't like that.

But in my opinion, northern influence in Greece is a result of Indo-Europeans. I don't think that Celts and Germanics left many genetic traces in Greece, and as I said previously, the Byzantines eventually expelled the invading Slavs.

Discuss.

I think nobody ever said that there was not celtic or germanic influence, on contrary nw influence (Atlantic +north) is higher than NE in most of the country

BTW celts were not north Europeans

Also, the fact that medieval Scandinavian mercenaries were assimilated is settled

I can give more info about it

[Sikeliot]

I think nobody ever said that there was not celtic or germanic influence, on contrary nw influence (Atlantic +north) is higher than NE in most of the country

Atlantic type admixture was already present in Mycenaeans.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Key word, had. Yea I have Greek friends too, and they are not like You or your ilk either. So the question remains, is the internet the vent for true colors? or do we just get so many of the retards on all sides? I admit some Albanians on here are vile. The difference is I don't join the vile ones to gang up on an entire ethnic group like many of you and yours(of course not all). Truth be told, most people in the Balkans just want to live and let live. It could be so simple, peace and common goal. But religion among other things divides people.

You want nothing to do with the Balkans, yet cant change the fact that your are apart of it, culturally, genetically, historically. When the powers that be are done with the Balkans, you and everyone will look to their neighbors for solutions.

We let east and west pin us all against each other. The attitude of some on here(including you) contribute to that problem. The only time I have come at you Greeks is for the vile disugst you spew against ALL Albanians. Ever see me get on some Greek users who are normal human beings? no...because they are not drinking the cool aid.

It is you the one that has no idea about Greek culture and history, and confuse it with Balkan

We are not here to explain to every single uneducated Albanian the reasons that we are not similar to him, visit us and see

Till then I have to apologize that since we met you first in 1991 we saw nothing familiar to the brachycephalic immigrants from Albania, there is nothing to divide us, we just have no things to connect us

[Lavrentis]

I think nobody ever said that there was not celtic or germanic influence, on contrary nw influence (Atlantic +north) is higher than NE in most of the country

BTW celts were not north Europeans

Also, the fact that medieval Scandinavian mercenaries were assimilated is settled

I can give more info about it

Yeah, Celts were not Northern Europeans but they were more Northern shifted than Greeks.

Btw do we know in which places were the Scandinavian mercenaries settled? I don't really know if they were heavily settled or something.

[Tauromachos]

I think nobody ever said that there was not celtic or germanic influence,

Celtic there was,but Germanic in Ancient Greece was zero,Sorry

As i said,it was Italy ,not Greece where Germanic tribes first entered.
In Greece the first Germanics appeared in Post Roman times"much later than in Italy" and their influx is not comparable to that in Northern Italy.

Also, the fact that medieval Scandinavian mercenaries were assimilated is settled

This is much more likely than anything else related to that topic.
I mentioned it also, by the way

[Lavrentis]

Key word, had. Yea I have Greek friends too, and they are not like You or your ilk either. So the question remains, is the internet the vent for true colors? or do we just get so many of the retards on all sides? I admit some Albanians on here are vile. The difference is I don't join the vile ones to gang up on an entire ethnic group like many of you and yours(of course not all). Truth be told, most people in the Balkans just want to live and let live. It could be so simple, peace and common goal. But religion among other things divides people.

You want nothing to do with the Balkans, yet cant change the fact that your are apart of it, culturally, genetically, historically. When the powers that be are done with the Balkans, you and everyone will look to their neighbors for solutions.

We let east and west pin us all against each other. The attitude of some on here(including you) contribute to that problem. The only time I have come at you Greeks is for the vile disugst you spew against ALL Albanians. Ever see me get on some Greek users who are normal human beings? no...because they are not drinking the cool aid.

Had, have, what's the big difference? I became lost with some after changing school and moving out.

[Peterski]

In terms of Y-DNA lineages in Greece, Slavic contribution is much greater than Germanic and Celtic. Admixture from all those 3 populations is present, but the majority of it is Slavic.

I'm talking about % of Slavic/Germanic/Celtic subclades of R1b, R1a, I1 and I2.