Sikeliot's thoughts on all of the Greek and Turkish arguing on here.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

I don't want to involve myself into a forum fight but since I am an old member I want to add my opinions shortly .

- I don't remember how many times I posted Turkish / Aydın results or pictures of people from western Turkey ,because Sikeliot was insisting Western Turks and Greeks are identical , He never corrected his claim no matter how many times we proved him wrong , so it was an annoying vicious circle. I am happy that will not repeat anymore.
Turk is Turk ,Greek is Greek ..no need to fight about that.

- A person from Turkey identifying with Greece is quite unusual and surprising. People may try to show " kindness " by saying " we are similar " , "we are close" etc because we are neighbores and some people can be quite friendly -sometimes too much They think they are helping peace etc - but being friendly and claiming heritage are two different things , so do not punish their random act of kindness .

[Tauromachos]

But there would be another portion of Sicilians who would look exotic, while it is unlikely mainland Greeks would look exotic in Sicily in the same way. I do not just mean dark haired and eyed, I mean strongly Middle Eastern features... you won't find it in mainland Greece.

Depends on what you consider Middle Eastern looking.

Could be true.

But to claim that the most northernshifted Sicilian is South of the southernmost Mainlander is Bullshit.

[Sikeliot]

But to claim that the most northernshifted Sicilian is South of the southernmost Mainlander is Bullshit.

Ok, the northernmost Sicilians are close to the southernmost mainlanders (not mixed with Pontic).

[Profileid]

Why do you feel the need to referee every wog fight this board has ever had?

[Dick]

Why do you feel the need to referee every wog fight this board has ever had?

Because even gays have maternal instincts and all the wogs on the forum are his children.

[Hadouken]

Turks are not Meds.

Iberians, Italians and Greeks are Med. Tuks have Central Asian input.

Some look Med because they also have some European ancestry. That's all.

bro that doesnt make any sense . med =/= european

turks have high mediterranean genetics and also inhabit the eastern mediterranean region

comparison between greek and turkish mediterranean score (and before you say "but only wild wild weztern turks because they are grek roots" I will put mine too ...mine ..from eastern turkey kurdish guy)

Eurogenes K13 Greek

East_Med 25.63
West_Med 19.29


total med = 44,92
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Eurogenes K13 Turk


East_Med 26.4
West_Med 11.88


total med = 38,28

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Eurogenes K13 All-In :

East_Med 30.76
West_Med 8.28

total med = 39,04

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Puntdnal K15 Greek

Mediterranean 36.65

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Puntdnal K15 Turk


Mediterranean 28.23

-

Puntdnal K15 All-In

Mediterranean 26.30

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Dodecad V3 Greek

Mediterranean 34.24

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Dodecad V3 Turk

Mediterranean 24.63

-

Dodecad V3 All-In

Mediterranean 23.68


etc. etc.

and btw. Sikeliot you need to be fair . it is most of the time other people who bring greeks into turkish topics and it is people that accuse turks to be wannabe greeks out of the blue even though turks already explained how this can not even be the case and I also explained it in another thread which got deleted . it is as if you guys want to fit a shoe on peoples foot that doesnt fit . very weird

I like Greeks btw. and I am Kurdish (the possible 35 or so % turkish admix of mine doesnt change this) . I am impartial as I always try to be

[mourtsouflos]

A person from Turkey identifying with Greece is quite unusual and surprising. People may try to show " kindness " by saying " we are similar " , "we are close" etc because we are neighbores and some people can be quite friendly -sometimes too much They think they are helping peace etc - but being friendly and claiming heritage are two different things , so do not punish their random act of kindness .

Turkish "friendship" towards Greece is almost always declared in a way that serves the Turkish interests. Mentioning e.g the "harmonious coexistence" of the two ethnic groups during the Ottoman period is totally in agreement with the official Turkish narrative: "We were cool and tolerant - you were ungrateful and treacherous and you ruined everything." Also, a "friendly" Turk will often refer to the Aegean as "our common sea", as if it wasn't full of Greek islands. Besides, they believe Turkey should have been granted at least the Dodecanese, despite the fact these islands have always been inhabited by Greeks.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Turkish "friendship" towards Greece is almost always declared in a way that serves the Turkish interests. Mentioning e.g the "harmonious coexistence" of the two ethnic groups during the Ottoman period is totally in agreement with the official Turkish narrative: "We were cool and tolerant - you were ungrateful and treacherous and you ruined everything." Also, a "friendly" Turk will often refer to the Aegean as "our common sea", as if it wasn't full of Greek islands. Besides, they believe Turkey should have granted at least the Dodecanese, despite the fact these islands have always been inhabited by Greeks.

I am not going to argue about Turkish Greek relationships . I 've already pointed out that their hippy attitude will not solve anything .But it doesn't mean they claim a shared heritage , genetic brotherhood with Greeks. They are just lefties , humanists etc. trying to be good guys .

[Tauromachos]

bro that doesnt make any sense . med =/= european

turks have high mediterranean genetics and also inhabit the eastern mediterranean region

comparison between greek and turkish mediterranean score (and before you say "but only wild wild weztern turks because they are grek roots" I will put mine too ...mine ..from eastern turkey kurdish guy)

Eurogenes K13 Greek

East_Med 25.63
West_Med 19.29


total med = 44,92
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Eurogenes K13 Turk


East_Med 26.4
West_Med 11.88


total med = 38,28

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Eurogenes K13 All-In :

East_Med 30.76
West_Med 8.28

total med = 39,04

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Puntdnal K15 Greek

Mediterranean 36.65

-

Puntdnal K15 Turk


Mediterranean 28.23

-

Puntdnal K15 All-In

Mediterranean 26.30

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Dodecad V3 Greek

Mediterranean 34.24

-

Dodecad V3 Turk

Mediterranean 24.63

-

Dodecad V3 All-In

Mediterranean 23.68


etc. etc.

and btw. Sikeliot you need to be fair . it is most of the time other people who bring greeks into turkish topics and it is people that accuse turks to be wannabe greeks out of the blue even though turks already explained how this can not even be the case and I also explained it in another thread which got deleted . it is as if you guys want to fit a shoe on peoples foot that doesnt fit . very weird

I like Greeks btw. and I am Kurdish (the possible 35 or so % turkish admix of mine doesnt change this) . I am impartial as I always try to be

Alot of Turks have partial Med ancestry,no doubt.

But clearly anything Med in Turks,comes from natives in Asia Minor,before Turkomans arrived there.

Either Greek tribes or others..

[Loki]

A story has two sides.

We also need to bear in mind that Turkey is actually now the second country, after the United States, by traffic on this forum. UK is third and Greece is fourth. Hence, we have a lot of Turkish and Greek members and guests. We need to be quite sensitive to the situation, and try to be as impartial as possible.