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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    The vast majority of Mexicans came to America in the 20th century.
    California,New Mexico,Arizona,Colorado's,Nevada history and heritage is Mexican. It is not British.


    There is a myth of continuity that does not exist, except perhaps in Santa Fe, which was an island to itself.

    4-5 million Mexican-Americans have an ancestor that lived in California the Southwest when it belonged to Mexico.
    Pre 1848.

    Not one Anglo-American can trace their ancestors to California or the Southwest when it belong to Mexico. Pre -1848.

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    America was never built to be an inclusive society - our founding fathers reserved this nation for free whites.
    Yesterday, today's virtue was vice; Today, yesterday's vice is virtue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    America was made Of WASPs, By WASPs, For WASPs, in the same way that Latin America was Of/By/For Papists. One sought freedom from Rome and the other from Mecca. Why no coexistence? That is because Papists believe Protestants do not have a right to exist free of their dominion, no more than Moors would want the Hispanics to get away from their Barbary oppression. We are not acknowledged in our own country. Our country is denied existence. How many Germanic Protestant countries exist, vs Latin Papist? There are basically America and half of Canada to count on. Papists crowd and mob us. They translated Black slavery from the Arabs to our Anglo elites. They were the ones who annihilated the Indians, whereas we preserved them with the tribal reservations. We gave Blacks their own Zionist homeland to fight for in Liberia and Sierra Leone. None of our enemies will leave us alone. I am no KKK or NSDAP adherent. I find them as repugnant as those who attack all I hold dear. False friends with common enemies are forced to cooperate for survival, no different than cartoonish depictions of GI Joe and Cobra or the X-Men and Magneto teaming up to fight any imaginary mutual threat. Seriously people, think about your vitriol. Most of you are ignorant morons aside from Loki.
    Then why did so many non-WASP Europeans immigrate to America in the early 20th century? Germans, Irishmen,Scandinavians, Italians, Greeks, Eastern Europeans, Balkanoids, Eastern European Jews, etc?

    Mexicans were here long before all of those groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Yes but the only Mexicans you see in the affluent areas of Los Angeles, San Jose, San Diego,etc. are the garderners and lawn mowers or workers.
    Envious rat worshipper. Mexicans were American citizens in 1848,Mexicans could own land,vote and hold political office by 1848 when the treaty of Guadalupe was ratified. Sub human South Asians Indians like you were allowed to became american citizens until 1955.You could own land and vote until 1955 because white america saw South Asian Indians as sub humans.

    Mexicans out number Indians by a ratio of
    7-1 or 10-1 in the wealthiest cities in Southern Ca.




    Mexicans make up between 20-45% of the middle class in cities and towns in Southern California.



    The median home value in Chino Hills is $639,200. Pop. 78,000

    Mexican 17,768 -23.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 2,003 -2.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median home value in Torrance is $775,000. pop 145,888

    Mexican 14,880 -10.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 3,921 -2.7%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median price of homes currently listed in La Jolla is $2,520,000. pop 46,781

    Mexican 2,596 -6.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 1,013 -2.1%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Anaheim Hills is $747,300.
    In the Anaheim Hills neighborhood in Anaheim, CA, residents most commonly identify their ethnicity or ancestry as Mexican (19.0%).









    The median price of homes currently listed in Newport Beach is $2,362,500.
    Pop 85,186

    Mexivcan 3,861 -4.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 691-0.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median home value in Venice is $1,538,600.
    Venice is a neighborhood in the city of Los Angeles in the Westside according to the U.S. Census; 40,885 population Mexican (13.0%) and German (8.3%)




    The median home value in Anaheim is $568,800.
    pop 351,000

    Mexican 154,554 -46%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indians 4,456-1.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median home value in Villa Park is $1,325,400.
    Pop 5,920
    Mexican 433-7.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 146-2.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Brea is $672,200.
    pop 39,282

    Mexican 8,004 -20.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 801-2.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Tustin is $672,600.
    pop 75,540

    Mexican 24,725-32.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 2,181 2.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Burbank is $742,800.
    pop 103,340

    Mexican 14,706 -14.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 1,502-1.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median price of homes currently listed in Hacienda Heights is $669,900.
    pop 53,122 2000 census

    from 2000 census
    Mexican 16,374-30.83%
    http://haciendaheights.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm








    The median home value in Diamond Bar is $656,500.
    pop 56,793

    Mexican 8,766- 15.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indians 2,086- 3.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF







    Average Home Values By City. Rolling Hills $3,161,100.

    pop 1,860

    Mexican 53-2.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 45-2.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF




    The median sales price for homes in Whittier for Apr 6 to Jul 5 was $580,000
    pop 85,331

    Mexican 48,567 -56.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 193-0.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median sales price for homes in Laguna Beach for Apr 6 to Jul 5 was $1,705,000

    pop 22,723

    Mexican 1,121 -4.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 99-0.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median home value in Laguna Niguel is $797,800.
    pop 62,979

    Mexican 6,264 9.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indians 488 0.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median home value in San Marino is $2,246,500.
    pop 13,147
    Mexican 558 -4.2%%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 157 -1.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF







    The median price of homes currently listed in Hermosa Beach is $1,797,000.
    pop 19,506

    Mexican 933-4.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 102 -0.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Calabasas is $1,377,200.
    pop 23,058

    Mexican 764-3.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 457-2.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF




    The median home value in Manhattan Beach is $2,241,400.
    POP 35,135

    Mexican 1,363-3.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 307- 0.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Malibu is $2,885,000.
    pop 12,645

    Mexican 450-3.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 34-0.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Pacific Palisades is $2,728,800.
    pop 22,986
    City of Pacific Palisades, CA - LOS ANGELES County California
    Mexican Population,965 -4.2%
    Indian pop 353-1.5%





    The median home value in Del Rey is $934,700
    pop 8,866

    Mexican 311-3.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 136-1.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    The median sales price for homes in Santa Monica for $1,499,250
    pop 89,735

    Mexican 7,686 -8.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indians 1,034- 1.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median price of homes currently listed in South Pasadena is $1,198,000.
    pop 25,619

    Mexican 3,338 - 13.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 329- 1.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median sales price for homes in Huntington Beach is $950,000
    pop 189,992

    Mexican 25,139- 13.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 967- 0.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median price of homes currently listed in Palos Verdes Estates is $2,250,000.
    Pop 13,438

    Mexican 351- 2.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF



    Indian 241- 1.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Burbank is $822,800.
    pop 103,340

    Mexican 14,706- 14.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 1,502 -1.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Culver City is $1,002,400.
    pop 38,883


    Mexican 6,004- 15.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 915 -2.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median home value in El Segundo is $1,167,900.
    pop 16,654

    Mexican 1,613- 9.7%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    INDIAN 275 -1.7%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    Market temperature. The median home value in Beverly Hills is $3,041,900.
    POP 34,109

    Mexican 834- 2.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 235- 0.7%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Agoura Hills is $874,000.
    City of Agoura Hills, CA : Demographics
    White (Non-Hispanic) 78.6%, Mexican 8.5%, Black 1.3% Indian 0.8%







    The median home value in Arcadia is $1,110,800.
    pop 56,354

    Mexican 4,438- 7.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 1,377 2.4%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Altadena is $769,600.
    from 2000 census pop 42,610

    Mexican 6,194- 14.54% 2000 census
    Indian 115- 0.27% 20000 census
    http://altadena.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm






    The median home value in Claremont is $707,700.
    pop 33,398 2000 census

    Mexican 3,624 -10.66% 2000 census
    Asian Indian 471- 1.39% 2000 census
    http://claremontca.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm







    The median home value in Downey is $601,300.
    pop 111,772

    Mexican -pop 60,331- 54.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 657-0.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF




    The median home value in Encino is $912,400.
    pop 48,619

    Mexican 2,548-5.24%
    Indian 322- 0.7%






    The median home value in Glendale is $792,000
    pop 191,719

    Mexican 19,126- 10.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    INDIAN 1,747 -0.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF







    The median home value in Pasadena is $813,200.
    POP 137,122

    Mexican 34,168- 24.9%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 1,742 -1.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median sales price for homes in Costa Mesa $778,000
    pop 109,960

    Mexican pop 31,646 -28.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 617 -0.5%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Glendora is $602,500.
    pop 50,073

    Mexican 12,151-24.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 499- 1.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF







    The median home value in Granada Hills is $621,300.
    Granada Hills Profile - Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times
    Granada Hills is a neighborhood in the city of Los Angeles in the San Fernando Valley,pop 50,535 population in 2000, according to the U.S. Census; 53,998 population in 2008, Mexican (11.1%) and German (7.6%) are the most common ancestries







    The median home value in Hawthorne is $596,900.
    pop 84,293

    Mexican 29,371 -34.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 519 -0.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF




    The median price of homes currently listed in La Crescenta-Montrose is $853,500.
    La Crescenta-Montrose is a populated place in Los Angeles County, California.
    According to the United States Census Bureau, the La Crescenta-Montrose ,Mexican ancestry 2,232 persons (11.4%).







    The median home value in La Verne is $655,700.
    pop 16,627

    Mexican 7,627- 24.6%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 289-1.7%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Lakewood is $574,900.
    pop 2000 census ,79,345

    Mexican 13,606-17.2% 2000 census
    Asian Indian 404-0.51%

    http://lakewoodca.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm









    The median home value in Lomita is $675,100.
    pop 20,256

    Mexican 4,925- 24.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 264- 1.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median home value in Monrovia is $656,000.
    pop 36,629-2000 census

    Mexican 9,854-26.68% 2000 census,it's alot higher now
    Asian Indian 172-0.47% 2000 census
    http://monrovia.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm




    The median home value in Monterey Park is $627,100.
    pop 60,269

    Mexican 13,659- 22.7%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


    Indian 152-0.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median price of homes currently listed in Northridge is $709,000.
    pop 27,769

    Mexican 6,315-22.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

    Indian 608-2.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF





    The median home value in Redondo Beach is $986,300.
    pop 67,695

    Mexican pop 6,492 -9.6%
    Indian pop 650 -1.0%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF







    The median home value in Rosemead is $552,400.
    pop 54,615

    Mexican pop 15,484 -28.4%
    Indian 174- 0.3%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF








    The median price of homes currently listed in Rowland Heights is $747,500.

    pop 48,553 2000 census

    Mexican 10,752 -22.14% 2000 census
    Indian 635 -1.51% 2000 census
    http://rowlandheights.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm







    The median home value in San Dimas is $597,300.

    pop 34,073

    Mexican 8,263 -24.3%
    Indian 134- 0.4%

    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF






    The median home value in Los Angeles is $629,900.County

    pop 10.038,000

    Mexican 3,693,375 -36.8%
    Indian 83,398-0.8%

    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF









    The median home value in San Gabriel is $748,200.
    pop 40,198

    Mexican 8,853- 22.0%
    Indian 316-0.8%

    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF











    The median home value in San Pedro is $578,000.
    San Pedro Profile - Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times
    San Pedro is a neighborhood in the city of Los Angeles in the Harbor. 80,065 population in 2000, according to the U.S. Census; 86,012 population in 2008, Mexican (31.5%) and Italian (8.4%) are the most common ancestries.








    The median home value in Santa Clarita is $509,900.
    pop 179,950

    Mexican 42,681 -23.7%
    Indian 2,093-1.2%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF










    The median price of homes currently listed in Sherman Oaks is $899,900.
    pop 33,347

    Mexican 2,759- 8.3%
    Indian- 0.8%
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF









    The median price of homes currently listed in Santa Fe Springs is $497,400.
    pop 17,162

    Mexican 11,981 -69.8%
    Indian-0
    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF







    The median home value in Tarzana is $749,500.
    pop
    Latino 13.73% ,im very sure over 95% of the Latino pop in Tarzana is of Mexican origin
    http://www.clrsearch.com/91356-Demog...-and-Ethnicity







    The median home value in Temple City is $755,200.
    pop 36,079

    Mexican 5,928-16.4%
    Indian 185-0.5%

    https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMuller View Post
    Envious rat worshipper. Mexicans were American citizens in 1848,Mexicans could own land,vote and hold political office by 1848 when the treaty of Guadalupe was ratified. Sub human South Asians Indians like you were allowed to became american citizens until 1955.You could own land and vote until 1955 because white america saw South Asian Indians as sub humans.
    Stats are way off. Indians are far smaller in numbers in California and the USA compared to the enormous population of Latinos, please think logically Jose. Also, South Asians were not even trying to immigrate to the the USA before 1955, so the 1965 immigration Act means nothing.

    Also, if Mexicans are living in affluent areas then you're implying their median household income is on the same level as South Asians, and they work in the same occupations. Your dominant professions are gardening houses, working at home depot, or selling drugs.

    The highest paying jobs in California are electrical/computer/software/nuclear engineering, MDs, and business ownership. I've never heard anyone say Latinos are prominent in the medical profession or IT/engineering.

    Don't bring up your sister and she's nothing compared to my relatives, some of whom are regional engineering VPs for companies like Nvidia,ATI (retired) Intel, National Semiconductor (retired) and Seagate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMuller View Post
    Annex? Yeah. 110,000 Mexicans and maybe 40 Anglo-Americans lived in California,New Mexico,Arizona,Colorado,and Nevada before 1848.
    Neither mattered. It was a series of Indian lands, or buffer states between Anglos and Hispanics. After the Cession, more non-Hispanics lived in the region than Hispanics until very recently. Hey Wetback, you get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Yes but the only Mexicans you see in the affluent areas of Los Angeles, San Jose, San Diego,etc. are the garderners and lawn mowers or workers.
    Outside drifters, of course...

    Quote Originally Posted by RMuller View Post
    California,New Mexico,Arizona,Colorado's,Nevada history and heritage is Mexican. It is not British.





    4-5 million Mexican-Americans have an ancestor that lived in California the Southwest when it belonged to Mexico.
    Pre 1848.

    Not one Anglo-American can trace their ancestors to California or the Southwest when it belong to Mexico. Pre -1848.
    It's not Anglo or Hispanic but Spanglish Indian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Then why did so many non-WASP Europeans immigrate to America in the early 20th century? Germans, Irishmen,Scandinavians, Italians, Greeks, Eastern Europeans, Balkanoids, Eastern European Jews, etc?

    Mexicans were here long before all of those groups.
    Germans (think Anglo-Saxons, Orange-Nassau, Brunswick-Lunenburg-Westphalia and Hannover, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha), Irishmen (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland) and Scandinavians (Jutes and Danes make up at least 33% of the English tribal composition, alongside Anglo-Saxons; New Sweden formed part of New Netherland before the English assimilated them both in tandem) are easily conformable to integration and assimilation. Italians are really more Mexican than American, being Latins. Greeks, Eastern Europeans, Balkanoids and Eastern European Jews are all as much outsiders to American identity as your very own. They can live in Alaska for all we care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Stats are way off. Indians are far smaller in numbers in California and the USA compared to the enormous population of Latinos, please think logically Jose. Also, South Asians were not even trying to immigrate to the the USA before 1955, so the 1965 immigration Act means nothing.

    Also, if Mexicans are living in affluent areas then you're implying their median household income is on the same level as South Asians, and they work in the same occupations. Your dominant professions are gardening houses, working at home depot, or selling drugs.

    The highest paying jobs in California are electrical/computer/software/nuclear engineering, MDs, and business ownership. I've never heard anyone say Latinos are prominent in the medical profession or IT/engineering.

    Don't bring up your sister and she's nothing compared to my relatives, some of whom are regional engineering VPs for companies like Nvidia,ATI (retired) Intel, National Semiconductor (retired) and Seagate.
    Also lol at a beaner calling anyone a subhuman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post

    Germans (think Anglo-Saxons, Orange-Nassau, Brunswick-Lunenburg-Westphalia and Hannover, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha), Irishmen (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland) and Scandinavians (Jutes and Danes make up at least 33% of the English tribal composition, alongside Anglo-Saxons; New Sweden formed part of New Netherland before the English assimilated them both in tandem) are easily conformable to integration and assimilation. Italians are really more Mexican than American, being Latins. Greeks, Eastern Europeans, Balkanoids and Eastern European Jews are all as much outsiders to American identity as your very own. They can live in Alaska for all we care.
    100% true and agreed. All of these groups were considered undesirable to nativist Americans, especially Spaniards, Greeks, Eastern Europeans Jews, Balkanoids, Central Europeans,Slavs and Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    100% true and agreed. All of these groups were considered undesirable to nativist Americans, especially Spaniards, Greeks, Eastern Europeans Jews, Balkanoids, Central Europeans, and Italians.
    I don't find them relevant. That's all. Not outside the amount of relevance Russian Alaska has played in American society. The 13 Colonies/States transformed Texas and Hawaii into replicas of Virginia and New England, while the rest of the states were virtually nondescript and generically American, perhaps more in the Pennamite tradition of the Mid-Atlantic. Yes, this actually includes the Southwest, because the trajectory of settlement was from Dutch New York to San Francisco, being in between the Dixie Republic and the Sandwich Islands. Sutter himself was Swiss. Both English and Dutch hate bloody Spaniards with a passion. We don't take too kindly to Papist oppressions. Calvinism vs Jesuitical fanaticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    I don't find them relevant. That's all. Not outside the amount of relevance Russian Alaska has played in American society. The 13 Colonies/States transformed Texas and Hawaii into replicas of Virginia and New England, while the rest of the states were virtually nondescript and generically American, perhaps more in the Pennamite tradition of the Mid-Atlantic. Yes, this actually includes the Southwest, because the trajectory of settlement was from Dutch New York to San Francisco, being in between the Dixie Republic and the Sandwich Islands. Sutter himself was Swiss. Both English and Dutch hate bloody Spaniards with a passion. We don't take too kindly to Papist oppressions. Calvinism vs Jesuitical fanaticism.


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