Subdivisions of Polish people

[Peterski]

Central Poland includes Sieradz and Leczyca Lands. Northern Poland includes Kuyavia, Krajna, Dobrzyn Land, Chelmno Land, Tuchola Forests, Kociewie, Powisle, Lubawa Land, Kosznajderia, Free City Danzig (Gdańsk), Żuławy (Malbork-Elbląg area).

[Userius]

I'm not used to forums. Is this a necropost?

Anyway, it's doubtful that I2 is more connected to Sarmatians than R1a. The Mongoloid influence was rare in R1 carriers back then, and most that had that admixture tended to carry C3 in the population.

As for Gorals, I'd definitely see more Balkanite ancestry than German. The German theory was postulated mainly around WW2 for Hitler to fragment the country. Although, I have ancestry from Ludzmierz and in the US people guess me as anywhere from a Swede to an Italian. Rarely does a Pole themselves guess that I'm Polish.

[Peterski]

Userius do you have a DNA test?

[Mingle]

What about Warmians? Aren't they Polonized Balts? Shouldn't they be considered their own separate subgroup? Do you know if they are genetically closer to Lithuanians or something?

Why are there two names: Mazur and Mazovian?

[Peterski]

What about Warmians? Aren't they Polonized Balts? Shouldn't they be considered their own separate subgroup? Do you know if they are genetically closer to Lithuanians or something?

They do have high input from West Balts. As do Poles from Sudovia or Suwalszczyzna (Suwałki Region).

Here is a Polish GEDmatch result from Suwałki Region in Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.4
2 North_Sea 23.59
3 Eastern_Euro 20.92
4 Atlantic 13.83
5 West_Med 4.29
6 Siberian 0.78
7 Sub-Saharan 0.52
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 West_Asian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 4.22
2 Estonian 6.37
3 Belorussian 6.4
4 Estonian_Polish 7.17
5 Southwest_Russian 8.35
6 Polish 8.43
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.77
8 Ukrainian 9.09
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.25
10 South_Polish 9.87
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.96
12 Kargopol_Russian 12.15
13 Erzya 13.19
14 East_Finnish 14.23
15 Finnish 14.33
16 Southwest_Finnish 16.04
17 Croatian 16.3
18 La_Brana-1 17.31
19 Hungarian 17.96
20 Moldavian 18.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% Estonian @ 3.33
2 90.6% Lithuanian + 9.4% North_Swedish @ 3.56
3 86.1% Lithuanian + 13.9% Finnish @ 3.57
4 92.8% Lithuanian + 7.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.58
5 91.8% Lithuanian + 8.2% Swedish @ 3.6
6 92.4% Lithuanian + 7.6% Norwegian @ 3.61
7 81.3% Lithuanian + 18.7% Ukrainian @ 3.77
8 88.2% Lithuanian + 11.8% East_Finnish @ 3.8
9 89.5% Lithuanian + 10.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.8
10 94% Lithuanian + 6% West_German @ 3.81
11 94.1% Lithuanian + 5.9% North_Dutch @ 3.84
12 94.9% Lithuanian + 5.1% Orcadian @ 3.84
13 84.8% Lithuanian + 15.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.89
14 95% Lithuanian + 5% Southwest_English @ 3.9
15 94.5% Lithuanian + 5.5% Danish @ 3.9
16 95.2% Lithuanian + 4.8% West_Scottish @ 3.94
17 95.3% Lithuanian + 4.7% Southeast_English @ 3.95
18 93% Lithuanian + 7% East_German @ 3.96
19 95.4% Lithuanian + 4.6% Irish @ 3.96
20 95.2% Lithuanian + 4.8% North_German @ 4.01

[Rethel]

Why are there two names: Mazur and Mazovian?

From the same reason why there are two names Angles and English,
Teuton and Deutsch, Frank and French, Rus, Ruski and Russian aso...
Just different form of the same word - normal in fusional languages.

Mazovian is more of the name of Mazovia, Mazur, name of the people
who created Mazowia, or just short form of the previous one - it is
not known, and never will be for certain, but they are the same.

[Userius]

What exactly is the difference between Balts and West Slavs anyway? Aside from the Finno-Ugric influence in the Baltics, it looks like Lithuanians and Poles are quite similar.

[Userius]

Userius do you have a DNA test?

I wish. That will have to come when I get a bit more of a monetary surplus.

I have seen some tests from around the region though, including the Ruthenian Hutsul, Boykos, and Lemkos, and even Moravian Vlachs, but they're mostly mtDNA studies, which generally don't tell that much besides that the Boykos have some strange connection with Udmurts. I've seen a few random map clusters and minor tests though. It's about what you'd expect. Quite a bit of R1a and I2, but the R1a seems to come from some even older branches than m458. I may have even seen a z93 or two. Other than that in order of importance it seems to run R1a~I2a>E-V13>J2, and also interestingly a G and a T apparently were found, but I think that included Katowice for some reason which has a long Jewish history.

[Rethel]

As for Gorals, I'd definitely see more Balkanite ancestry than German.

There is everything: Germans, Poles, Slovaks, Vlahs, even
Ruthenians, but main group was probably Germans indeed.
But it is not imortant as they exist as separate group, and
as a whole they are mix anyway. But majority of them can
be Germans, but Idk if anyone ever it tried to check. The
Bachledas are ones of many; some could be not traceable.

[Userius]

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Which would you say I match most with in appearance?