America hates Columbus... FACEPALM

[Oneeye]

Unfortunately no. I'm honest.

Where do you normally post?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Here is an article by the New York Times.. a left leaning newspaper, that has polls asking if we should take down statues per several historical figures:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...tues-quiz.html

I didn't know who Frank Rizzo was other than the name is the same as a character from the Jerky Boys and so I googled him.

Just wait after November you'll have a front row seat because I'm going to make Attila the Hun look like a faggot.

— Rizzo, during his 1975 reelection campaign[14]

Now I know why the Jerky Boys named their screaming, psychopathic character after this guy, lol.

[Sebastianus Rex]

The Aztecs,Toltecs,Mayans,Olmecs are were mesoamericans and they were a very civilized people.

Mesoamericans contributed more to the world than Portugal.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...e-World-Thread

Keep dreaming moron, Portugal started the Age of Discovery, without it those civilized peoples would still be making mass human sacrifices to appease their Gods and eating each other brains.

[catgeorge]

This is the same for all Anglosphere nations where the percentages is slowly being swung to third worldom

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Keep dreaming moron, Portugal started the Age of Discovery, without it those civilized peoples would still be making mass human sacrifices to appease their Gods and eating each other brains.

Don't underestimate them, according to History Channel's tv program Ancient Aliens, the first man in space was Mayan In here we can see him on his spaceship:

[Sebastianus Rex]

And by the way, Colombus wanted to arrive to the shores of China, Japan and India.

I believe he died not knowing he had run into a new land mass... Or he didn't want to believe since his contract with the Catholic Monarchy was based on the arriving to those remote countries.

On the other hand, many of the expedictionaries already suspected --in the following columbian journeys-- that those lands were new ones, and not China, nor Japan nor India.

True, Columbus was an average navigator and died thinking he had reached Asia (actually all the Age of Discovery started exactly with the aim of findind new routes to the Orient, the fact there was a continent in the middle westwards was an accident). Both Spanish and Portuguese crowns knew already there was a huge land mass (wich would likely be a new continent), any updated historian knows about these facts, those coasts were already being explored in secret. Columbus expedition was just the officialization of those exploitations.

About his origin much has been debated, one thing is curious, his writtings were never in Italian or any Italian dialect, he wrote in mostly in Castillian, sometimes in Catalan and often with lusismos or galleguismos. He also went to great efforts to conceal his origins, wich makes some historians to believe that he was probably a Jewish converso.

Sure, but most people know enough about both Historical figures here. They're not like the average sheep in the streets.

If you go by that principle, there wouldn't be any stautes of historical figures. Anyway it's all subjective, someone can be an hero from a certain point of view and a psycopath from another.

[EL_BARBARO]

True, Columbus was an average navigator and died thinking he had reached Asia (actually all the Age of Discovery started exactly with the aim of findind new routes to the Orient, the fact there was a continent in the middle westwards was an accident). Both Spanish and Portuguese crowns knew already there was a huge land mass (wich would likely be a new continent), any updated historian knows about these facts, those coasts were already being explored in secret. Columbus expedition was just the officialization of those exploitations.

About his origin much has been debated, one thing is curious, his writtings were never in Italian or any Italian dialect, he wrote in mostly in Castillian, sometimes in Catalan and often with lusismos or galleguismos. He also went to great efforts to conceal his origins, wich makes some historians to believe that he was probably a Jewish converso.



If you go by that principle, there wouldn't be any stautes of historical figures. Anyway it's all subjective, someone can be an hero from a certain point of view and a psycopath from another.

Totally agree.

[EL_BARBARO]

It's and was highly suspected in those times that Colon took the knowledge about the existence of a land westerwards from the story got from this dying spanish sailor from Huelva. This fact is even recognised by most scholars, expeditionaries in that age.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alonso...chez_de_Huelva

[Autrigón]

So what? I may have been still born but under different circumstances. If not then it would have still been better than what he did.

Well the Americas before the european colonization wasn't a paradise full of pink unicorns, candies and peace for everybody. Hundreds of Amerindian tribes were always in war between themselves, enslaving each other's, making human sacrifices to gods with their enemies, etc.
Local Amerindian tribes were allies of Hernan Cortés in his conquest of Mexico because they hated the Aztecs.

History is history...the good ones are not always so good and the bad ones are not always so bad.

[Autrigón]

Colombus has nothing to do with the USA. He never set foot in the USA. Instead explorers like Ponce De Leon,Don Juan ONate should be honored. They set foot in the USA before the English arrived.

They are honored in USA:

Statue of the explorer Pedro Menéndez de Avilés in San Agustín (Florida).



Celebrations in San Agustín, Florida (The most ancient city in USA).



Statue of Ponce de Leon (Miami).



Anyway Columbus in this case is not a particular symbol for any particular european colonization (spanish, english, french or whatever). In my opinion is an international and human symbol of a discover who changed the world history.