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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Now they are, maybe 10 000 years ago, they weren't.
    What ever they are now, the Basques, nor their ancestors, were ever R-U106, for the vast bulk of their male R1b lies downstream of R-P312

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides
    I wonder if R-U106 in the Saami is very ancient or from mixing with Norse people in more recent times.
    If recent admixture with Norwegians and Swedes alone was responsible for the presence of R-U106 then I would also expect more R1b diversity. On the other hand, if I was to consider R1b to be 'old' amongst the Saami then I would envisage that R1b to be consisting of R-L23* and/or R-M412* subclades, not R-U106. It is possible that the Saami from Norway possess not only higher frequencies of R1b, but also more diversity. Will we have to wait for more sample analysis, more subclade analysis and clarity on mutation ages.

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    I noticed the Greek L23* numbers do not correlate with the spreadsheet (Myres et al. 2010) and was just wondering whether there is a mistake somewhere. The spreadsheet shows 14 L23* from the King study and 1 L23* from another study. The pie chart indicates a much lower number [8 individuals of 185] for Greece.

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    "According to this paper, of 102 men sampled in England, 71.5% tested positive for R-M269."

    "Other R1b subclades - Not included on the graph, but the subclades above count for 80.33% of R1b in England as a whole."

    if 71.5% of the 102 men sampled in England tested positive for R-M269, and the subclades in the first chart count for 80.33% of the R1b in England as a whole, then that would mean that 91.17% of Englishmen inherit R1b of some kind or another.

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    I'm sorry do you have any reference for all this?
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    Guys what about R-U198?

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    Hereward,

    Do you know where did Myres et al. collect their samples for Poland from?

    In their paper of 202 men sampled in Poland, 18.35% tested positive for M-269.

    I noticed considerable differences in % of R1b and R1a in Poland from study to study.

    Recently Underhill et al. reported only 45,9% (50 osób ze 109) of R1a in Poland.

    Data for Poland ranges from 46/18 of R1a/R1b to even 57/12 of R1a/R1b (roughly from 45/20 to 60/10). Regional differences in proportions are even bigger, but this is expected - while such large differences in samples supposedly representing entire country are annoying.

    I guess these distinct proportions result from different areas of collecting samples in each study, and thus there are large differences in percentages for each haplogroup. Apparently samples are never as large and representative for the whole country as they should be.

    IMHO a minimal sample of ca. 5892 people from 220 cities would be good for Poland:

    On avg. ca. 10 people from each city over 20,000 (= 1340 or 22,74%)
    On avg. ca. 22 people from each city over 50,000 (= 1034 or 17,55%)
    On avg. ca. 44 people from each city over 100,000 (= 968 or 16,43%)
    On avg. ca. 150 people from each city over 200,000 (= 2550 or 43,28%)

    This would quite accurately represent almost half of its population:

    There were 220 cities >20,000 in Poland had almost half of its pop. (in 2008):

    20,000-49,999 - 134 cities / with 11,0% of pop. (22,8% in this group)
    50,000-99,999 - 47 cities / with 8,4% of pop. (17,4% in this group)
    100,000-199,999 - 22 cities / with 8,0% of pop. (16,6% in this group)
    over 200,000 - 17 cities / with 20,8% of pop. (43,2% in this group)

    Total - 220 cities / with 48,2% of Polish pop. (100% in this group)

    After that, a small "adjusting" sample can also be collected from rural areas and towns under 19,999 people, to account for differences in urbanization between regions (if we collect samples only from cities and towns over 20,000 then few most urbanized regions will be overrepresented and few least urbanized ones underrepresented, compared to their respective shares among the total population of the country). They can even take samples of random size from each city, but then adjust proportions of results according to each city's share in entire population.
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    i'd imagine there has been a bit of change since 2010. Perhaps Artek would be the best person to ask on Polish Ydna.

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    Perhaps, I must ask him.

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