Phenotype and MBTI

[Curtis24]

I have always been interested in how phenotype is an indicator of personality. Through my study of the MBTI, and observation of phentoypes, I think this list is an approximation. Of course, I want your own thoughts as well

Nordid: ESTP, ENTP, ISTP, INTP
Robust Mediterranid: ENFP, INFP, ESFP, ISFP
Gracile Mediterranid: ESFP, ISFP
unreduced Cromagnid: ESTP, ISTP, ENTP, INTP
Alpinid: ESFJ, ISFJ, ENFJ, INFJ
reduced Baltid: ESFJ, ISFJ, ENFJ, INFJ
Dinarid: ESTJ, ISTJ

angular, dolichocephal = TP = "cold/calm" schizothyme
round, dolichocephal = FP = "hot/nervous" schizothyme
angular, brachycephal = TJ = "cold/calm" cyclothyme
round, brachycephal = FJ = "hot/nervous" cyclothyme

[Psychonaut]

This would make for a really cool interdisciplinary anthropological/psychological study, but with no data what's the point?

[Curtis24]

woops, actually made a big mistake in my first list. reedited.

[Curtis24]

This would make for a really cool interdisciplinary anthropological/psychological study, but with no data what's the point?

Well, just to get anecdotal accounts really. Also, there could be people - Agrippa, Tomasz, Saruman, or Karl - who have info on psychological studies that have been done on the correlations with phenotypes, and they would post these.

[Wyn]

Nordid: ESTJ, ENTJ, ISTJ, INTJ
Robust Mediterranid: ENFJ, INFJ, ESFJ, ISFJ
Gracile Mediterranid: ESFJ, ISFJ
unreduced Cromagnid: ESTP, ISTP, ENTP, INTP
Alpinid: ESFP, ISFP, ENFP, INFP
reduced Baltid: ESFP, ISFP, ENFP, INFP
Dinarid: ESTP, ISTP, ENTP, INTP

How comprehensive were your observations? Are we talking a real, scientific study?

Either way, interesting. My MBTI type doesn't match up with the phenotypes it's associated with there.

The concept of phenotypes as an indicator of personality though - isn't this really just pseudoscience along the lines of phrenology and physiognomy?

[Curtis24]

How comprehensive were your observations? Are we talking a real, scientific study?

Either way, interesting. My MBTI type doesn't match the phenotypes it's associated with there.

The concept of phenotypes as an indicator of personality though - isn't this really just pseudoscience along the lines of phrenology and physiognomy?

Yes, my correlations are totally anecdotal. The thread is primarily just for anecdotal examples, unless anywhere has info on psychological studies done.

The concept of phenotypes as an indicator of personality though - isn't this really just pseudoscience along the lines of phrenology and physiognomy?

Not really. Do you think black people are different from white people? Or Mideasterners different from Europeans(as most people at this site implicitly do, "The Racial Tragedy"). If you accept the premise that there are personality differences between different races, then there must also be personality differences between different European subraces, though not as drastic.

[Wyn]

Not really. Do you think black people are different from white people? Or Mideasterners different from Europeans(as most people at this site implicitly do, "The Racial Tragedy").

Culture and history has a lot to do with this and they aren't "fixed". A Canadian user on this forum for example has spoken of how different black Canadians are to black Americans.

If you accept the premise that there are personality differences between different races, then there must also be personality differences between different European subraces

Not so. This ignores the ethnocultural context in which any given set of people exist. There's no reason to believe that Nordids from Scotland and Nordids from Poland are going to somehow share personality traits simply because both sets are Nordid.

[Curtis24]

Later on I will try to get some info from Sheldon and Kretschmer done on body types and personality. Body types correlate with racial types, so if they also correlate with personality, we can then correlate it to MBTI.

[Aemma]

I have always been interested in how phenotype is an indicator of personality. Through my study of the MBTI, and observation of phentoypes, I think this list is an approximation. Of course, I want your own thoughts as well

Nordid: ESTJ, ENTJ, ISTJ, INTJ
Robust Mediterranid: ENFJ, INFJ, ESFJ, ISFJ
Gracile Mediterranid: ESFJ, ISFJ
unreduced Cromagnid: ESTP, ISTP, ENTP, INTP
Alpinid: ESFP, ISFP, ENFP, INFP
reduced Baltid: ESFP, ISFP, ENFP, INFP
Dinarid: ESTP, ISTP

This is all well and good Curtis but where is your rationale for having grouped certain phenotypes to certain MBTI profiles? You can't just throw stuff out there like that without offering some rationalisation for your choices. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense!

EDIT: Ahh I see how this has already been proposed in other fora, namely ForumBiodiversity and AnthroCivitas by Loxias.

[Curtis24]

Not so. This ignores the ethnocultural context in which any given set of people exist. There's no reason to believe that Nordids from Scotland and Nordids from Poland are going to somehow share personality traits simply because both sets are Nordid.

Well, I just disagree with you. There have been many scientific studies done on the correlation between the masuclinization of the face, and personality:

According to a new study carried out at the Universities of Chicago and California, women can tell, just by looking at a man's face, whether he is good with children - and therefore a good long-term catch, or just very masculine, and better for a short-term relationship.

It seems that a man's face can reveal to women how high his testosterone levels are. His value as a mating partner can be quickly assessed by looking at his face, say the researchers.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/43213.php