Everything about Wilders.

[antonio]

But this is important in that it shows that electing anti-immigrant politicians *can* make a difference.

For me anti-inmigration policies should be based on (more or less massive, but forced) deportation. From that basis, a pool about voluntary migration out, is pointless. As is pointless, even illegal, the annoyances (apartheid is another thing) that some "autorities" put in their way, for example Spanish policies on Islamism are as erratic as you can imagine. Maroccan criminals have open field to commit their crimes whilst, concurrently, a 10 y.o. Marocan girl was expulsed from the public school she attended for not taking off her veil. It's ridiculous, it's a joke for all the victims of such criminals that the more arbitrary "legal" action against a Maroccan in Spain was to expulse a 10 y.o. from school just because she wears veil.

[lisulisa]

let us be fair; the original europeans dont produce enough children.
many centuries we were told to have as much kids as possble (cheap labor)
now so called salon socialists tell the women: be free, have no kids.

[The Lawspeaker]

let us be fair; the original europeans dont produce enough children.
many centuries we were told to have as much kids as possble (cheap labor)
now so called salon socialists tell the women: be free, have no kids.

Frankly: that's rubbish. We got too many children during the aftermath of the war and even if we would get rid of every single immigrant we would still have 13 and a half million people whereas some 8 to 10 million would have been healthy for this country.

This demographic development would have been perfectly healthy, natural and normal if it wasn't for the immigrants.

[Crossbow]

let us be fair; the original europeans dont produce enough children.
many centuries we were told to have as much kids as possble (cheap labor)
now so called salon socialists tell the women: be free, have no kids.

When this ever would be true, there is still no reason whatsoever to let the type of immigrants in we are dealing with now. They don't come here to work, but to live off social welfare, and create a lot of social unrest. Activities undertaken by them, are mostly illegal (and include tax evasion), and serve rather dark purposes, like financing islamist funds. Add to that the high illiteracy rate, and the scarce interest in developing both intellectual and practical skills, and you will get a very disquieting image.
Yet progressive elements, to which I count feminists, accept the rapid increase of newcomers, only made possible by a religious system that allows women to be mere birthmachines. Why do they accept this without any form of protest?
Probably on account of fear of the ultra-masculine immigrants' preparedness to violence, but they wrap this up in a paper of tolerance and respect, in order to avoid confrontation. In the meantime all frustrations can be vented on white males, who won't react in an aggressive way, and rather will show understanding, willing to discuss problems, although they are horrific oppressors still in the process of improving their pernicious characters.
Be free, and have some Arab or negro kids.

[Lorene]

Odd, muslims or Islamists are generally conservatives why did they choose a liberal place like the Netherlands to live?

[The Lawspeaker]

Odd, muslims or Islamists are generally conservatives why did they choose a liberal place like the Netherlands to live?

First they were brought in to surpress wages (by working cheaper then the Dutch worker), then they were all given the chance of live off benefits and to "unite with their families"-- which meant for them: bringing over their village.. and the one next to it.

[Crossbow]

Odd, muslims or Islamists are generally conservatives why did they choose a liberal place like the Netherlands to live?

Because here, loads of money are spended on them by people who go down on their knees for them. That is basically why, and you could consider the Netherlands a cash desk.

[Bridie]

Frankly: that's rubbish. We got too many children during the aftermath of the war and even if we would get rid of every single immigrant we would still have 13 and a half million people whereas some 8 to 10 million would have been healthy for this country.

This demographic development would have been perfectly healthy, natural and normal if it wasn't for the immigrants.

Holland is obviously over-populated, but nevertheless, demographics are a reflection of power distribution in any given population. I'm guessing that immigrant communities within Holland are still replacing themselves (bearing a fertility rate of 2.1+ babies per woman) whereas the Dutch are not. Its clear to see who will have the power base in Holland in the near future.... then you can forget about the immigrants leaving... it will be the Dutch.

[The Lawspeaker]

But still.. we don't need an ever increasing population but we need to get rid of the immigrants. That's the main demographic concern. Not making more babies. Quality over quantity.

[Bridie]

But still.. we don't need an ever increasing population but we need to get rid of the immigrants. That's the main demographic concern. Not making more babies. Quality over quantity.

Nice idea, but sometimes you are left with no other choice than to choose the lesser of two evils. The immigrants will never be deported en masse. Even halting immigration altogether now would not solve anything. I see the only other option as being the Dutch trying to retain power within their own country. They must remain a majority.