A Genetic Study on 16 Turks from Different Parts of Turkey

[Hudayar]

Oh and it seems Turks, racially, cluster more with Southern/Central Americans (who themselves are Southern European+Amerindian mix however sometimes they're more Southern Euro inclined sometimes Amerindian) than with Southern Europeans themselves. For some reasons the study didn't mention it

[Böri]

Samples always matter now if they took from a Kurd in Van and an immigrant descent Albanian from Izmir and the Hatay sample is Arab that gives a mishmash. People then are right to think Turkey is a sort of Colombia.

[Hudayar]

Samples always matter now if they took from a Kurd in Van and an immigrant descent Albanian from Izmir and the Hatay sample is Arab that gives a mishmash. People then are right to think Turkey is a sort of Colombia.

Most of them are equally mongoloid influenced. But you're right about the sample issue. Wish everyone took a genetic test here. I'd like to take a genetic test too, for free

[Hudayar]

The average for Turkey should be 7% as far as I know. Yörüks are not that many.

I looked into your 7% mongoloid dna claim. And found interesting things.


A guy called "Dienekes" claimed that years ago http://dodecad.blogspot.com.tr/2010/...evisiting.html http://dienekes.blogspot.com.tr/2011...ks-part-3.html . he says we're 5% to 7% mongoloid on average according to his samples (hmm i wonder whether he cherrypicked his samples or not, seems a bit fishy).

2 years later, he posted this http://dienekes.blogspot.com.tr/2012...rgyz-data.html and it seems the mongoloid input in Turks is much higher than he claimed (around 14% 15% on average) according to an actual scientific study. Which means that he can't be trusted when he talks about our genetics. Dunno maybe he's biased or butthurt or maybe not but he's clearly wrong. Given that he's a Greek from Eastern Black Sea he's most likely biased but could be not.

he also claims that we're 1/6 1/7 1/8 central asian according to his "samples". I thought he was talking about the mongoloid dna but he's talking about all central asian genetic contribution. This is also wrong as i https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...y-From-Antalya https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Anatolian-Turk posted here. The Central Asian contribution is around 20% to 50%+ and those dudes are genetically close to regular Turks.

[Hadouken]

Hudayar here a turk with ancestry from konya + aydin

Eurogenes K13


1 West_Asian 26.66
2 East_Med 26.4
3 West_Med 11.88
4 Baltic 10.11
5 North_Atlantic 7.8
6 Siberian 6.16
7 Red_Sea 4.31
8 South_Asian 2.52
9 East_Asian 2.36
10 Northeast_African 1.17
11 Sub-Saharan 0.33
12 Amerindian 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

1 Turkish 7.45
2 Azeri 11.39
3 Turkmen 15.97
4 Kumyk 16.08
5 Georgian_Jewish 16.62
6 Kurdish 16.69
7 Central_Greek 16.89
8 Assyrian 17.09
9 Lebanese_Muslim 17.15
10 Armenian 17.2
11 Iranian 17.29
12 East_Sicilian 17.64
13 Syrian 18.05
14 South_Italian 18.42
15 Cyprian 18.54
16 Ashkenazi 18.99
17 Italian_Abruzzo 19.09
18 Iranian_Jewish 19.19
19 Kurdish_Jewish 19.5
20 Balkar 19.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 86.1% Turkish + 13.9% Chuvash @ 2.59
2 87% Turkish + 13% Mari @ 2.74
3 83.6% Turkish + 16.4% Tatar @ 2.86
4 87.3% Turkish + 12.7% Erzya @ 3.18
5 87.5% Turkish + 12.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.34
6 88.6% Turkish + 11.4% East_Finnish @ 3.44
7 87.2% Turkish + 12.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.73
8 88.8% Turkish + 11.2% Finnish @ 3.76
9 88.1% Turkish + 11.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.81
10 89.1% Turkish + 10.9% Estonian @ 3.85
11 51.7% Cyprian + 48.3% Nogay @ 3.87
12 88.3% Turkish + 11.7% Belorussian @ 3.89
13 89.1% Turkish + 10.9% Lithuanian @ 3.89
14 87.4% Turkish + 12.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.9
15 87.1% Turkish + 12.9% Ukrainian @ 3.91
16 88.1% Turkish + 11.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.96
17 86.8% Turkish + 13.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4
18 67.8% Assyrian + 32.2% Tatar @ 4.06
19 84% Turkish + 16% Moldavian @ 4.09
20 88.1% Turkish + 11.9% Polish @ 4.1

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Nogay @ 4.068420


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +25% Bulgarian +25% Nogay @ 2.750805


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Ashkenazi + Kabardin + Lebanese_Christian + Nogay @ 2.048378
2 Afghan_Turkmen + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.221129
3 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Assyrian + Bulgarian @ 2.237461
4 Ashkenazi + Kabardin + Nogay + Samaritan @ 2.269875
5 Afghan_Turkmen + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.288395
6 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Bulgarian + Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.295885
7 Ashkenazi + Kabardin + Lebanese_Druze + Nogay @ 2.310704
8 Afghan_Turkmen + Assyrian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.343364
9 Ashkenazi + Nogay + North_Ossetian + Samaritan @ 2.363758
10 Adygei + Afghan_Turkmen + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.368820
11 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.447322
12 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Greek_Thessaly + Samaritan @ 2.451439
13 Afghan_Turkmen + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.460231
14 Ashkenazi + Balkar + Lebanese_Christian + Nogay @ 2.479559
15 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.496081
16 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.496169
17 Afghan_Turkmen + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Samaritan @ 2.496526
18 Adygei + Ashkenazi + Nogay + Samaritan @ 2.505815
19 Armenian + Lebanese_Muslim + Tatar + Turkish @ 2.511839
20 Ashkenazi + Balkar + Nogay + Samaritan @ 2.518907

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and since you like Mdlp K23 so much

Mdlp k23


# Population Percent

1 Caucasian 38.51
2 South_Central_Asian 12.86
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.96
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.78
5 Near_East 8.99
6 East_Siberian 4.62
7 Ancestral_Altaic 4.03
8 North_African 2.54
9 South_East_Asian 2.54
10 Tungus-Altaic 2.15
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.93
12 Subsaharian 0.66
13 Amerindian 0.46
14 African_Pygmy 0.45
15 Khoisan 0.31
16 South_Indian 0.11
17 Archaic_Human 0.07
18 Australoid 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Turk_Aydin ( ) 4.17
2 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 6.35
3 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 7.41
4 Turk_Adana ( ) 7.54
5 Turk ( ) 7.85
6 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.43
7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 10.25
8 Azov_Greek ( ) 11.3
9 Syrian_Jew ( ) 12.21
10 Gagauz ( ) 12.95
11 Georgian_Jew ( ) 13.03
12 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 13.14
13 Azeri ( ) 13.17
14 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 13.51
15 Lebanese ( ) 13.63
16 Kurd_North ( ) 13.79
17 Cretan ( ) 13.81
18 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 13.92
19 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 14.33
20 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 14.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.1% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 17.9% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 3.14
2 85% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 15% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 3.17
3 78.9% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 21.1% Russian-Ural ( ) @ 3.24
4 86.8% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 13.2% Saami ( ) @ 3.28
5 81.2% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 18.8% Komi ( ) @ 3.3
6 89.1% Turk ( ) + 10.9% Saami ( ) @ 3.31
7 87.6% Turk ( ) + 12.4% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 3.34
8 84.2% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 15.8% Mari ( ) @ 3.37
9 80.3% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 19.7% Finnish-East ( ) @ 3.37
10 79% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 21% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) @ 3.38
11 81.9% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 18.1% Chuvash ( ) @ 3.39
12 91.5% Turk ( ) + 8.5% Selkup ( ) @ 3.39
13 80.3% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 19.7% Finn_East ( ) @ 3.4
14 80.8% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 19.2% Finn ( ) @ 3.41
15 91.7% Turk ( ) + 8.3% Mansi ( ) @ 3.42
16 79.9% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 20.1% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 3.42
17 85.3% Turk ( ) + 14.7% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 3.47
18 77.6% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 22.4% Russian-North ( ) @ 3.48
19 79.4% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 20.6% Tatar ( ) @ 3.48
20 83.6% Turk ( ) + 16.4% Finnish-East ( ) @ 3.49

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_ +50% Turk_Aydin_ @ 4.565720


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian_ +25% Bashkir_ +25% Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.572088


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
1 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.572088
2 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.647935
3 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + French_Jew_ @ 2.705515
4 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_West_ @ 2.761037
5 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 2.771554
6 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 2.796134
7 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_West_ @ 2.809549
8 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 2.812037
9 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Maltese_ @ 2.836586
10 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Bashkir_ + Kakheti_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 2.854861
11 Armenian_ + Assyrian_Arzni_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.855257
12 Armenian_ + Assyrian_Arzni_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_West_ @ 2.859962
13 Armenian_ + Assyrian_Arzni_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Siberian_ @ 2.862252
14 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 2.863661
15 Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Turk_Kayseri_ @ 2.870184
16 Armenian_Yerevan_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 2.874602
17 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Maltese_ @ 2.875799
18 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + French_Jew_ @ 2.879054
19 Armenian_ + Armenian_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 2.885605
20 Armenian_ + Armenian_Yerevan_ + Bashkir_ + Sicilian_East_ @ 2.888103

[Hudayar]

Those are very interesting results actually. I didn't expect "Armenian" though. I thought Armenians didn't live in Konya or Aydın. His Central Asian ancestry appears as Bashkir/Siberian Tatar/Afghan Turkmen even though he's only 14.73% mongoloid on average. And his EHG dna is quite high. I think 11 51.7% Cyprian + 48.3% Nogay @ 3.87 is the best estimate that describes his ancestry considering Oghuz TUrks were as mongoloid as Nogays/Turkmens when they came here with some exceptions. Or maybe 30-40% Central Asian 60-70% Greeco-Anatolian.

btw where did you get that result? do you have his or her gedmatch kit number? i've been trying to collect Turkish gedmatch kitnumbers but i suck at it. Thank you.

[Hadouken]

Those are very interesting results actually. I didn't expect "Armenian" though. I thought Armenians didn't live in Konya or Aydın. His Central Asian ancestry appears as Bashkir/Siberian Tatar/Afghan Turkmen even though he's only 14.73% mongoloid on average. And his EHG dna is quite high. I think 11 51.7% Cyprian + 48.3% Nogay @ 3.87 is the best estimate that describes his ancestry. Or maybe 30-40% Central Asian 60-70% Greeco-Anatolian.

btw where did you get that result? do you have his or her gedmatch kit number? i've been trying to collect Turkish gedmatch kitnumbers but i suck at it. Thank you.

I know him from forums . yes I have his kit number but I dont share kit numbers with others to not hurt their privacy (I dont know if they would want it) . if you want to see other results just tell me which calculator result you would like to see

and ..

1. that he gets Armenian in population approx. doesnt mean that he is Armenian . it just means if he was modelled in 4 populations according to the calculator he would be such a split

2. he is not 14.73 % mongoloid but rather 8-9% . look at eurogenes k13 that I posted . on other calculators he is also around that

[Hudayar]

I know him from forums . yes I have his kit number but I dont share kit numbers with others to not hurt their privacy (I dont know if they would want it) . if you want to see other results just tell me which calculator result you would like to see

and ..

1. that he gets Armenian in population approx. doesnt mean that he is Armenian . it just means if he was modelled in 4 populations according to the calculator he would be such a split

2. he is not 14.73 % mongoloid but rather 8-9% . look at eurogenes k13 that I posted . on other calculators he is also around that

In both calculators he gets Assyrian/Armenian which means that he has Armenian heritage. Obviously i'm not calling him Armenian. Native Anatolians were either identical to Armenians (though i doubt that) or 1000 years ago some of his ancestors were Armenians.

Second, ancestral_altaic is a mongoloid component. the mongoloid dna in Turks rise when you include a greater sampling of mongoloid components. Because not all mongoloid components are the same just as how not all caucasoid components are not the same. For example, if you only include EEF and EHG as caucasoid components Turks would be only 20-30% Caucasoid and it would look horrible.

[Hadouken]

In both calculators he gets Assyrian/Armenian which means that he has Armenian heritage. Obviously i'm not calling him Armenian. Native Anatolians were either identical to Armenians (though i doubt that) or 1000 years ago some of his ancestors were Armenians.

Second, ancestral_altaic is a mongoloid component. the mongoloid dna in Turks rise when you include a greater sampling of mongoloid components.

it doesnt mean that he has Armenian heritage man why do you think that by your logic most of west asia are armenians then

I am a Georgian Jew according to what you say

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on all other calcs I have run him he is around 9% mongoloid

[Hudayar]

it doesnt mean that he has Armenian heritage man why do you think that by your logic most of west asia are armenians then

I am a Georgian Jew according to what you say

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on all other calcs I have run him he is around 9% mongoloid

As far as i saw Turks mostly get Southern European populations as their second or first population approx. Like Greeks for example. Or Sicilians. Anyway you probably got my point


What about Gedrosia K3 though? Other calculators have outdated population components btw.