The Origin of your Surname

[Rethel]

And why we shouldn't have surnames then?

Were did you read, that I
wrote you shouldn't have?

I just asked, since when you have.
Majority of arabic countries do not
have, Turkey have since bearly 90
years... aso aso aso. So?

[Senpai]

My surname is supposedly Romance and derived from a longer French name
Rand... From Durand. However it is adopted, my real surname is Van Horn, which is obviously Dutch.

[Rethel]

My surname is supposedly Romance and derived from a longer French name
Rand... From Durand. However it is adopted, my real surname is Van Horn, which is obviously Dutch.

So, time to return to the reality.

[Impaler]

My surname is Slavic, i'm not sure from where, but it sounds Slavic.

[Sp_loa]

My surname is arabic based word for step-son. from the islamic period of Iberia.
First documented in palma (Mallorca, Spain) in the 14th century.

[Rethel]

My surname is arabic based name, from the islamic period of Iberia.
First documented in palma (Mallorca, Spain) in the 14th century.

Are you a convert then?

[Sp_loa]

Are you a convert then?

I don't understand your question.
Jews lived in spain since the 2nd century. Under the Islamic period, jews spoke arabic therefore a lot of sephardic surnames are in arabic. Other surnames, from northern Iberia or after the Reconquista are in spanish or french (like my grandmother maiden name, it's spanish based and first documented in the city of cabanillas and tudela in the 14th century).

[Rethel]

I don't understand your question.

I doubt if Jews beared arabic names. The same Spaniards.
So, logically, when surname originated, a person had to be
an Arab, and later convert to judaism. So, if you are a Jew,
with arabic based surname (with spanish suffix I guess) then
you have to be a convert, member of a convert family.

Second possibility is, that your surname is stolen in later
time from sombody else, as many Jews used to do.

So, are you a convert?

Jews lived in spain since the 2nd century. Under the Islamic period, jews spoke arabic therefore a lot of sephardic surnames are in arabic. Other surnames, from northern Iberia or after the Reconquista are in spanish or french (like my grandmother maiden name, it's spanish based in first documented in the city of cabanillas and tudela in the 14th century).

Ok, but patrimonic surnames are different thing.

[Sp_loa]

I doubt if Jews beared arabic names. The same Spaniards.
So, logically, when surname originated, a person had to be
an Arab, and later convert to judaism. So, if you are a Jew,
with arabic based surname (with spanish suffix I guess) then
you have to be a convert, member of a convert family.

Second possibility is, that your surname is stolen in later
time from sombody else, as many Jews used to do.

So, are you a convert?



Ok, but patrimonic surnames are different thing.

Jews definitely adopted arabic surnames. The surname turgeman for example- that means translator in arabic, a common surname suggests that one ancestor was a translator. That's not my surname but it's a sephardic surname too. Jews used to be the translators in spain- from arabic to local languages. Actually jews loved the muslim era of spain, muslims were nicer than christians back than. Another surname- abulafia- father of health in arabic- again a spanish-jewish surname. Dahan is another common example- first documented in barcelona, but still an arabic&hebrew mixed based surname. There is no documentation of arabs converting to judaism in Spain, it was actually illegal (it did actually happen in yemen and Arabia, and some berber tribes in morocco converted too (you can see it in my DNA).

I'm not arab, Ftdna gave me 0% east-middle east (arabia). The only DNA I have from the middle east is from the levant(about 20%).

[Senpai]

So, time to return to the reality.

I really don't give a shit, it could be anything, and I wouldn't mind.