Spanish riot police crack down on Catalan referendum, confiscate ballot boxes

[alnortedelsur]

That is not true. The majority of Catalans want independence. Stop lying, it doesn't help your cause.

How do you know they're majority? Where is your evidence?

Several polls have shown that Catalans against the independence are more than those who are on behalf of it.

[Böri]

say that again...

Catalan referendum: hundreds injured as police attack protesters – video

Inside the polling station, cops don't have sticks in their hand. They just remove people who sit and block their way.
You see them using nightsticks against a crowd of several hundreds when cops are just 15 probably by fear to be lynched if they don't show force.

Honestly, you didn't see much violence against people. What happened it's that they closed polling stations and used proportionate force/violence against separatist militants trying to prevent them from doing their job.

[alnortedelsur]

Inside the polling station, cops don't have sticks in their hand. They just remove people who sit and block their way.
You see them using nightsticks against a crowd of several hundreds when cops are just 15 probably by fear to be lynched if they don't show force.

Honestly, you didn't see much violence against people. What happened it's that they closed polling stations and used proportionate force/violence against separatist militants trying to prevent them from doing their job.

I'm sure those are manipulative videos, that don't show everything what was going on before the police acted like that.

[Böri]

I'm sure those are manipulative videos, who don't show what was going on before the police acted like that.

Probably spit on the face of the cop or maybe physical hit against cops. We don't know.
But like I said even that Guardian video isn't enough to talk about disproportionate violence.

The evidence is that they don't have sticks in their hand inside the polling station.
They just remove people sitting on their way and they are not so violent.

And later when you see them using sticks in the open, they are 15 against 200; so it's more like self-defence against a possible lynching attempt by the crowd.

[Laberia]

How do you know they're majority? Where is your evidence?

Several polls have shown that Catalans against the independence are more than those who are on behalf of it.

There is a way to learn the truth.

[justme]

Inside the polling station, cops don't have sticks in their hand. They just remove people who sit and block their way.
You see them using nightsticks against a crowd of several hundreds when cops are just 15 probably by fear to be lynched if they don't show force.

Honestly, you didn't see much violence against people. What happened it's that they closed polling stations and used proportionate force/violence against separatist militants trying to prevent them from doing their job.

are you blind? you do realise this video is prove of violence on spains side? what is spain afraid of? I don't remember british police doing this, or even the british government or Queen enforcing such behaviours like this... if spain claims most catalonians are again independence why send the police there to use force?

what you being turk, are you afraid that kurds or other groups will ask for independence from turkey?

[Böri]

are you blind? you do realise this video is prove of violence on spains side? what is spain afraid of? I don't remember british police doing this, or even the british government or Queen enforcing such behaviours like this... if spain claims most catalonians are again independence why send the police there to use force?

what you being turk, are you afraid that kurds or other groups will ask for independence from turkey?

Honey,
states and empires are created with blood and destroyed with blood. Not through casting votes.

That's a silly process to disintegrate states.
If people aren't forced to live together at some levels, we would return to the age of Greek city states.

Better should I ask you the question in a counter way, why do you support the Catalan vote?


Again in the Guardian video you don't see much violence. You had 10 times more violence in British police crackdown during anti-G8 summit protests in London or by German cops in Berlin.
Spanish cops didn't even have sticks in their hands inside the polling station. They were very proportionate.

[Loki]

How do you know they're majority? Where is your evidence?

Several polls have shown that Catalans against the independence are more than those who are on behalf of it.

No, you are lying. Quite the opposite!

BTW it's easy for me to see what is going on here.



A family embraces after voting:

[Cristiano viejo]

It's more about being free to rule your own land rather than expecting everything to change for the better financially. They don't want to be under the rule of Madrid and they don't identify with Spain.

What for, to leave your country road to Norway like yourself did?

[Cristiano viejo]

No, you are lying. Quite the opposite!

Last poll done only two months ago:
49 against independence.
41 in favour.

Why dont people check the fuckin sources, damn?