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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Caldazar View Post
    Indeed. The cost of dealing with the demonic is a high price.
    Yeah I've heard it before. Pat Robertson claiming all the troubles in Haiti (earthquake, hurricanes, poverty, corrupt governments, and now cholera) are caused by the use of black magic by Haitians during the slave revolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Caldazar View Post
    Please. I am no fool. I wont even stay in a friend's house if they pull out a ouija board.
    You say you are no fool, and yet in the next sentence say a very foolish thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    Really? And you know this how, exactly?
    You can't prove it doesn't exist (as you can't with anything else), but no one proved it does exist either.

    As a skeptical and someone who's been a realist and a fan of physics (aswel as atheist/agnostic) since I grew a brain, I simply ignore the so-called "magic" until someone comes up with scientific proof for it's existence.

    But this is contraditory, because if it is explained, it's no longer magic, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcelos View Post
    You can't prove it doesn't exist (as you can't with anything else), but no one proved it does exist either.

    As a skeptical and someone who's been a realist and a fan of physics (atheist/agnostic) since I grew a brain, I simply ignore the so-called "magic" until someone comes up with scientific proof for it's existence.
    Then I suggest you widen your experience. Try training in a magical order, for example. You might be quite shocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcadianDriftwood View Post
    Yeah I've heard it before. Pat Robertson claiming all the troubles in Haiti (earthquake, hurricanes, poverty, corrupt governments, and now cholera) are caused by the use of black magic by Haitians during the slave revolt.
    That is quite possibly true. Twice now the French and Americans have gone to Haiti with the best intentions of setting up a stable economy and introducing them to Christianity. Both times they let their societies crumble and rejected Jesus in turn for their Voodoo snake worship BS. The natural disasters frequently hitting Haiti is likely the wrath of God himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    Then I suggest you widen your experience. Try training in a magical order, for example. You might be quite shocked.
    I'd rather improve my knowledge in something that is actually useful for my people, like the fields of physics, especially in my own area of civil engineering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcelos View Post
    You can't prove it doesn't exist (as you can't with anything else), but no one proved it does exist either.

    As a skeptical and someone who's been a realist and a fan of physics (aswel as atheist/agnostic) since I grew a brain, I simply ignore the so-called "magic" until someone comes up with scientific proof for it's existence.
    There's a scientific explanation for a lot of magic. We just now call it medicine and potions are called drugs.

    But there is some that cannot be explained or hasn't been explained by science yet (but probably will in the future).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcadianDriftwood View Post
    There's a scientific explanation for a lot of magic. We just now call it medicine and potions are called drugs.

    But there is some that cannot be explained or hasn't been explained by science yet (but probably will in the future).
    This is what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcadianDriftwood View Post
    There's a scientific explanation for a lot of magic. We just now call it medicine and potions are called drugs.

    But there is some that cannot be explained or hasn't been explained by science yet (but probably will in the future).
    There may well be magical explanations for what is known as "science", too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    There may well be magical explanations for what is known as "science", too.
    Every time we peel back another layer of the Universe there is less magic and more understanding.

    Yet, it seems to me, the ancient soothsayers, alchemists, and astrologers were on a hunt for the truth, for deeper understanding of the Universe and its' rules of operation.

    If you could call back from "beyond" the great alchemists and wizards of all time, they would abandon their smoky stone-tower secret labs and apply for jobs at Fermilab and CERN, or go to work for Genitech and Pfizer.

    Our modern fascination with magic is (at least in those I have been exposed to) not a search for truth, but a desire for an alternative to the truth. A desire to possess secrets not available to the common-minded regardless of their intellect. Science is the true decendant of those Socerers; modern followers of Magic recoil at the democratization of knowledge and seek an emotional state something like nostalgia mixed with the old secret-handshake-to-get-in.

    Searching for wonder beyond the minds capacity to encompass? Take a look at the Scale of the Universe thread! Geez, quarks and quantum foam? string theory? What has magic got to compare to that?

    PS. If you practice Magic and feel this does not describe you, my apologies. I can only describe those people I've interacted with, not everybody out there.
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