Is Paganism our only hope against Islam?

[Ville]

Islam, a totalitarian ideology, will ultimately be destroyed by Time - not unlike potent in its time Christianity died a natural death.

Or, paraphrasing the Book of Ecclesiastes, I would say: to everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven: a time for Christian God to die, and a time for Allah to go away.

[Teyrn]

The Order of Bards, Ovates & Druids and their wiccan allies will clearly save us all from the saracen hordes.

It's a substitution of one form of superstition for another form of superstition, from Christianity to paganism, and the assumption that paganism is something good merely because it rejects Christian spiritual hegemony or whatever and that the pagan deities are better than the Christian deity is too overly naive and simplistic.

A better question might be to ask is why people are coming to prefer the pagan superstitions over the Christian superstition? The typical batty neo-pagan will probably go on about Burning Times, witch-hunts, forced conversions, and other crap, but the thoughtful neo-pagans might say something more like "Christianity has nothing of value to teach." This implies that as a moral force Christianity is pretty much spent and worn-out, a bit of existential rubbish like other failed religions, and then out come the Christian apologists and the battle is joined. Clearly then Christianity is not spent and worn-out if people are willing and able to defend it so zealously, in which case the neo-pagans have their work cut out for them.

[2Cool]

Science and education is the most effective tool against religion. Educate people, teach them critical thinking, and they will realize how stupid their beliefs are. However, doing what most people are doing: mistreating Muslims, discriminating them based on their beliefs, making a us vs them mentality, using laws to ban burkas/minarets, and more, is only going to make matters worse since they will associate themselves more and more with their religion. People tend to hold more closely to their beliefs and have their guard up when are treated like crap and feel like their culture is threatened.

[Elessar]

I think so, Christianity failed to defend us from Islam, so we need to try something else.

Yes, Christianity, as an entity in the 20th century, has utterly failed in protecting Europe from Islam. That's probably because Christianity hasn't been ruling for the past 2-300 years. How this makes sense when it wasn't the role of any religion (the lack thereof in fact) that determined governmental policy that opened Europe's doors after the 2nd world war is beyond me.
We need to try something else? Why does repulsing an invader have to be under some pretext of a religion? There are plenty of atheists who aren't content with our present crisis, not to mention there being a multitude of Christians as well, despite the anti-christ rhetoric that's spewed by neopagans and the like.

[Mercury]

Due to recent advancements in communication, such as the Internet, few Western nations will be associated with ONE religion or one religious belief. Individuals will pick out what religion they like and there will be even a greater diversity of religious beliefs in the future. So asking if the West should be Islamic, Christian, or Pagan is basically irrelevant. We don't live in that age anymore. Westerners are increasingly individualistic and will pick out their own spirituality for themselves.

Now Heathenry and European-centered religions in general can install a feeling of ethnocentrism and racial pride that isn't found in modern day universalistic Christian sects. The only form of Christianity that I would promote for a racialist white is Mormonism or some form of British Israelite type religion.

[GeistFaust]

Yes, Christianity, as an entity in the 20th century, has utterly failed in protecting Europe from Islam. That's probably because Christianity hasn't been ruling for the past 2-300 years. How this makes sense when it wasn't the role of any religion (the lack thereof in fact) that determined governmental policy that opened Europe's doors after the 2nd world war is beyond me.
We need to try something else? Why does repulsing an invader have to be under some pretext of a religion? There are plenty of atheists who aren't content with our present crisis, not to mention there being a multitude of Christians as well, despite the anti-christ rhetoric that's spewed by neopagans and the like.

It has failed because it is beginning to lose its roots and its purely European nature. It is starting to globalize as most things are in today's cosmopolitan world. This is leading it to a mediocrity and degeneration, which is causing it to be become more open and tolerant to other religions and non-European cultures. The great days of Christianity were typified by European culture, Pagan ideology, and a military spirit.


This all made Christianity a truly marvelous phenomenon to an extent, but the bestial and pestilent Semitic underpinnings of Christianity has haunted it from the beginning. The Europeanization and Paganization of Christianity was a necessity, but it was a not a necessity it could keep in place. Its Semitic substratum of Christianity allowed, quite unfortunately for the entrance of unwanted components and elements.


This is because Christianity lays on this false and shanty basis where all men and cultures are to be perceived as equal and equally productive/intelligent in the eyes of God. This is nothing more than a pile of shit, and its time we wake up and either watch what was largely an invention of ours become Globalized into mediocrity or to make it our own again and a unique expression of culture.


In the process we should negate the Semitic underlyings of Christianity and return it to some Post-Reformationist status with elements of modernization imbued into it. The great Christian spirit of the Crusaders led to many a Romantic feeling, which brought about and invoked noble and sublime feelings.


These noble and sublime feelings projected themselves in the desire to conquer, gain wealth, and was a Proto form of European colonization. This spirit of the crusaders was transported to it by Germanic peoples, largely Anglo-Saxons/Germans/Viking descended people who advocated for this opportunistic approach.


They basically used their secularist, materialistic, and militaristic spirit as a grounds for Christianity's feelings, which filled it with master morality and an unquenchable soul. A soul which was bent on opening all horizons to mankind, but on the basis it was Europeanized and simply for the European man.


It was this opportunistic drive to make the world a unique expression of self through the constant striving to conquer land and foreigner inspired some of the noblest feelings in the Middle Ages.


An age which manifested and expressed many a sick feeling, which had been cast over it by the Semitic substratum within it. The Crusaders justified Christianity on the basis of their Sturm und Drang policy, and Christianity was actualized in its noble and sublime spirit through this drive to conquer and make profit.

[Joe McCarthy]

Pagans have a long history of getting pwned by Muslims.

[GeistFaust]

Pagans have a long history of getting pwned by Muslims.

I don't think many European pagans though. A lot of the people who defeated the Muslims earlier on were fresh from their conversion to Christianity from Paganism. They had still not given up many of their pagan traditions and customs for the most part. The crusader spirit was driven by a spirit of master morality, which centered around those countries in the Germanic nation.

The energies of Christianity were largely re-directed and re-structured in a positivistic manner, which centered around the Pagan approach to reality. Europeans would never give up on this positivistic manner of approaching reality, and this would crop up within the frameworks of Europe's socio-cultural affairs.


The Reformation was largely a result of the fact that Christian sentiment was largely a stagnant mass, which only acted as a catalyst or energy force that was eventually re-directed and re-organized around Paganistic instincts and drives.

[Sarmatian]

A better question might be to ask is why people are coming to prefer the pagan superstitions over the Christian superstition?

Amazingly the more modern science learn about our universe and human nature the more parralels we can find with pagan beliefs. Heathenry naturally evolved out of depths of human super-subconscious while Christianity, Islam and Judaizm are artificial constructs which declining some important aspects of human life.

[Teyrn]

Amazingly the more modern science learn about our universe and human nature the more parralels we can find with pagan beliefs. Heathenry naturally evolved out of depths of human super-subconscious while Christianity, Islam and Judaizm are artificial constructs which declining some important aspects of human life.

The creation story in Genesis can be said, and has been said, to follow the standard Big Bang-based cosmological model. The writers of the biblical account of creation didn't conjure it up out of thin air- they apparently used existing, i.e. pagan, Near Eastern accounts of creation as a foundation and what they did do was to ascribe the creation of the cosmos to a single deity rather than a group of deities.