Ethnic maps of Europe (various)

[rothaer]

Yes

But returning to blueish map you posted, you can admit it was wrong, as even now Lithuanians shows Polish majority near Vilnus, so dozen percent, even without Jews before WWI was a Russian anti-Polish joke.

The same for west Belarus. 5% near Grodno lol as even today it is offically between 20-40% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_...rus_(2019).png

For West Ukraine we have posted just before official Austrian census maps which shows numerous Polish majority counties there.


But this is map made by American intelligence OSS, based on Swisss ethnographic cart so certainly without Polish agenda. You see Germans are showed even in central Poland and near Vistula in Masovia.

I admit. And that are absolutely noteworthy figures. I wonder why Lithuania wanted Vilnius and particularly why they did not leave their capital in Kaunas (although there's a lot of Polish around as well).

Btw. you see that Ukrainian advance to the west in the south along the Polish-Slovak border? I read that that once was also applicabe father north (kind of Rzeszów) and that the German medieval colonisation there gained these territories for the Polish ethnicity when they later became Polonised. The German name Reichshof for Rzeszów is actually not some Third Reich invention as one could first think but a name from the Middle Ages. I even think you see the genetic consequences of that settlement in your Podkarpackie samples.

[Lucas]

I admit. And that are absolutely noteworthy figures. I wonder why Lithuania wanted Vilnius and particularly why they did not leave their capital in Kaunas (although there's a lot of Polish around as well).

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It was not even their first capital, it was Trakai. Vilnius was first mentioned only in 1332 year, then it was new capital. Not sure what was before in this place as there are no written records. But soon it was few times completely burned by Teutonic Knights (between 1365 and 1394), I suspect most of the townsmen were killed too. Only after Polish-Lithuanian union it got Magdeburgian city rights and catholic diecesion. First brick castle (before was wooden lol) was created after 1419. Generally since XV century it started to grow and I guess many if not most new citizens were Poles and Jews.

Btw. you see that Ukrainian advance to the west in the south along the Polish-Slovak border? I read that that once was also applicabe father north (kind of Rzeszów) and that the German medieval colonisation there gained these territories for the Polish ethnicity when they later became Polonised. The German name Reichshof for Rzeszów is actually not some Third Reich invention as one could first think but a name from the Middle Ages.

It is connected to Vallachian pastoral movement. They were partly rutenized in Zakarpatia and Hutsul area and then wandered as Rusyns. Or some Rusyns adopted pastoral culture and followed Vallachians. I don't know about ethnic situation in Rzeszów area in medieval times, maybe it was like you said. But it had to be different story, not connected to mountain pastoral culture like in the south.

I even think you see the genetic consequences of that settlement in your Podkarpackie samples

Yes their western shift is visible.

[aherne]

Map is deeply biased in favor of Poland:

- majority in NE Poland was White Russian (Orthodox), with great Polish minority towards Lithuania
- east of Lublin, there was a Little Russian majority as well (Greek Catholic)

This was true since the dissolution of Old Russia in 14th century. Check this for comparison (1875):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ttich-1875.jpg

[Lucas]

Map is deeply biased in favor of Poland:

- majority in NE Poland was White Russian (Orthodox), with great Polish minority towards Lithuania
- east of Lublin, there was a Little Russian majority as well (Greek Catholic)

This was true since the dissolution of Old Russia in 14th century. Check this for comparison (1875):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ttich-1875.jpg

Lol I explained it before, those Russian czarist maps are bullshit, there show less Poles before WWI then current official censuses of Belarus and Lthuania, after whole ethnic cleansing and mass deportation of majority of Poles after 1939
Someone must be dumbass to believe there was no Poles in NW Belarus and SE Lithuania in 1875 and bum in 2023 they are still living there.. Buahahaha



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Lithuania

Poles are concentrated in the Vilnius Region. Most Poles live in Vilnius County (170,919 people, or 21% of the county's population); Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, has 85,438 Poles, or 15.4% of the city's population. Especially large Polish communities are found in Vilnius District Municipality (46% of the population) and Šalčininkai District Municipality (76%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Belarus


This is based on official Soviet data in 1960.

[Vessna]

Map is deeply biased in favor of Poland:

- majority in NE Poland was White Russian (Orthodox), with great Polish minority towards Lithuania
- east of Lublin, there was a Little Russian majority as well (Greek Catholic)

This was true since the dissolution of Old Russia in 14th century. Check this for comparison (1875):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ttich-1875.jpg

I am a Belarusian, and I think the map is accurate. We do have a lot of ethnic Poles, especially in the Western parts. They are now heavily assimilated but maintain their religion affiliation with a Catholic Church.

[black hole]

[cass]

Lol I explained it before, those Russian czarist maps are bullshit, there show less Poles before WWI then current official censuses of Belarus and Lthuania, after whole ethnic cleansing and mass deportation of majority of Poles after 1939
Someone must be dumbass to believe there was no Poles in NW Belarus and SE Lithuania in 1875 and bum in 2023 they are still living there.. Buahahaha



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Lithuania




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Belarus


This is based on official Soviet data in 1960.

Even after 3 repatriations, the area from Grodno to Daugavpils retains the Polish majority.