Albanian Y-DNA Project

[CabOOM]

I am guessing most of our R1a is Avar/Sklavenoi during the first Byzantine invasions. Many of the assimilated arrivals became Greek and Vlach and later Albanian. Some theorize M458 could be Sarmatians or Alans. But I cant see how, as alot of M458 in Balkans and as far as I know, Sarmatians and Alans didnt go there.

It s difficult to predict anything conclusive. I know Albanians used to be very aggressive towards foreigners settling among Albanians. These lineages would need to have come very early or have come as Albanians. I imagine the Diber area would have more exotic Y-DNA because it was often the scene of major battles. Although these soldiers were usually Albanians themselves, I imagine not all were. This might explain the increase in I1 and R1a we are finding in the area in comparison to the general Albanian population. The other reason I'm leaning towards this scenario is that these "exotic" lineages just don't seem to be related to one another.

I could be completely wrong.

[Dibran]

It s difficult to predict anything conclusive. I know Albanians used to be very aggressive towards foreigners settling among Albanians. These lineages would need to have come very early or have come as Albanians. I imagine the Diber area would have more exotic Y-DNA because it was often the scene of major battles. Although these soldiers were usually Albanians themselves, I imagine not all were. This might explain the increase in I1 and R1a we are finding in the area in comparison to the general Albanian population. The other reason I'm leaning towards this scenario is that these "exotic" lineages just don't seem to be related to one another.

I could be completely wrong.

They are not really exotic. The area is just so under-tested. The time most of these TMRCA are in R1a for ALbanians seem to be long before we are even first mentioned on record. So I can see it being assimilated into Byzantium and then with the forming of Arvanites through a symbiosis with Vlach and Greek, could have absorbed these lineages in central and southern Albania. Even explaining its elevation in Western Macedonian Albanians due to many Southern Albanians moving there over generations.

[Kelmendasi]

It s difficult to predict anything conclusive. I know Albanians used to be very aggressive towards foreigners settling among Albanians. These lineages would need to have come very early or have come as Albanians. I imagine the Diber area would have more exotic Y-DNA because it was often the scene of major battles. Although these soldiers were usually Albanians themselves, I imagine not all were. This might explain the increase in I1 and R1a we are finding in the area in comparison to the general Albanian population. The other reason I'm leaning towards this scenario is that these "exotic" lineages just don't seem to be related to one another.

I could be completely wrong.

So far Dibra doesn’t seem to be “exotic” in terms of Ydna. Majority of the haplos from there are typical Albanian haplos, I can only think of about 3 haplogroups in Diber which can be called “exotic”. The region itself though is undertested

[Dibran]

So far Dibra doesn’t seem to be “exotic” in terms of Ydna. Majority of the haplos from there are typical Albanian haplos, I can only think of about 3 haplogroups in Dover which can be called “exotic”. The region itself though is undertested

Extremely under tested. per Albanian Bloodlines, theres barely anyone from Diber that I can tell. Unless theres alternate testing groups with Dibran statistics. So far all too few. One sample I think(unless my eyes fool me) was an I1 Dibran. Probably from Normans, and or Goths.

[Kelmendasi]

Extremely under tested. per Albanian Bloodlines, theres barely anyone from Diber that I can tell. Unless theres alternate testing groups with Dibran statistics. So far all too few. One sample I think(unless my eyes fool me) was an I1 Dibran. Probably from Normans, and or Goths.

In Dibra J2b2, E-V13 and R1b have been found and are probably the dominant haplos. The Dibran I1 is P109 which is of Norse origin so its from Normans

[Trojet]

In Academic studies R1a in Tosks can reach 10% and if i am no mistaken Albanians from Macedonia get the highest percentage at around 14%, not very high numbers obviously but still it's odd how very few there are.

This is not exactly right.
There is only two studies of Albanians from Macedonia that I know of, and they give very contradicting results regarding R1a. The first one which I'm guessing you're referring to, has it at 12.6%, as can be seen here: http://www.bjmg.edu.mk/record.asp?subrecordid=1191
While the second one, which is from Battaglia et al 2008, has it at only 1.6%, as can be seen below.



I guess it depends where these studies were carried out, the sample size, etc. But if we take the average of the two, it would be around 7% R1a. We'll see how the numbers turn out in the future...

[CabOOM]

So far Dibra doesn’t seem to be “exotic” in terms of Ydna. Majority of the haplos from there are typical Albanian haplos, I can only think of about 3 haplogroups in Diber which can be called “exotic”. The region itself though is undertested

Well, you know best. But so far in this under tested environment, there is a slight alteration. Surely not enough samples and could be natural sample bias.

[Voskos]

According to what I was told by an Albanian member here there's a Kosovar Albanian with the same subclade as me.Now how this subclade extends from Ireland to Spain and reaches as far as Kosovo and Poland, that is one serious mystery.

[Trojet]

According to what I was told by an Albanian member here there's a Kosovar Albanian with the same subclade as me.Now how this subclade extends from Ireland to Spain and reaches as far as Kosovo and Poland, that is one serious mystery.

Which subclade is this?

[Voskos]

Which subclade is this?

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