Poland is in Western Europe (officially, since September 2017)

[Peterski]

You can't be in Western Europe if you're not in Western Europe. That has nothing to do with wealth.

Ukraine is in southern-Central Europe, so it makes sense that Poland is in Western Europe:





^^^ Lithuania is the geographical center of Europe:

https://www.bizbon.com/lithuania/

Geographical center of Europe is located to the east of Poland, in the East Baltic region:



^^^ But there are some alternative geographical centers of Europe as well:

[Autrigón]

Congratulations, now the next step is to be in the Euro currency club to be fucked forever.

[Rudel]

Ukraine is in southern-Central Europe, so it makes sense that Poland is in Western Europe:

Poland is East of the Elbe. It's in Eastern Europe. Beyond that it's just white Mongols.

[Peterski]

Poland is East of the Elbe. It's in Eastern Europe. Beyond that it's just white Mongols.

Wrong. Mesolithic France was not even Europe, but the land of brown people, unlike Eastern and Northern parts of Europe.

White Europeans originated in North-Eastern Europe:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...4/135616-1.pdf

"Western hunter-gatherers (WHG) had a distinctive blue-eyed, dark skin pigmentation phenotype1,2 that emerged in the Mesolithic.6 In contrast, we show that Mesolithic and Neolithic individuals from Ukraine, Latvia and the Iron Gates [in the Balkans] had, like Scandinavian and Eastern [Russian] hunter-gatherers, intermediate to high frequencies of the derived skin pigmentation allele at SLC24A5. Unlike Scandinavian and Eastern [Russian] hunter-gatherers, however, they have low frequency of the derived SLC45A2 allele. The derived OCA2/HERC2 allele associated with light (particularly blue) eye color is common in WHG, SHG, and hunter-gatherers from Latvia, but at low frequency in hunter-gatherers from Ukraine and the Iron Gates. This allele appears to be differentiated in a North-South gradient, as it is today – suggesting the possibility of long-term balancing selection due to geographic variation in selective pressure. The WHG phenotype of light eye and dark skin pigmentation1 thus appears to be restricted to western Europe and is far from universal in European hunter-gatherers, with light skin pigmentation common in Northern and Eastern Europe before the appearance of agriculture."

There were also interesting differences in blood types between WHG, farmers, and steppe PIE.

Rh- was common among both the Proto-Indo-Europeans and indigenous hunter-gatherers, but not among early neolithic farmers who came from Anatolia. Hunters had mainly blood type O, followed by A. Farmers also had O and A, but more of A. Steppe PIE populations had mainly A allele, much less of O allele, and they were the ones who introduced blood type B into the rest of Europe:

https://mathii.github.io/2017/09/21/...ancient-europe

"(...) It turns out that the O allele is at high frequency in hunter-gatherers, but relatively rare on the Steppe. The B allele seems to be absent in both hunter-gatherers and early farmers, and seems to be introduced from the steppe in the Bronze Age. The Rh- allele seems to be relatively common in hunter-gatherers and, particularly, in steppe populations, and relatively rare in early farmers, partly confirming Haldane and Cavalli-Sforza’s hypotheses. Allele frequency estimates are in the figures below (bars show 95% binomial confidence intervals). (...) If we compute expected phenotypic frequencies, this suggests that around around 65% of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers would have been type O, compared to around 40% in present-day Europeans, and around 40% of Steppe-ancestry individuals would have been Rh-, compared to around 24% of hunter-gatherers, 4% of early farmers, and about 16% of present-day Europeans. (...)"

From pages 53-54:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...4/135616-1.pdf

"(...) We estimated allele frequencies at three markers that largely determine ABO blood group.14 The 1-base deletion rs8176719 that is the most common type O mutation is at high frequency in hunter-gatherers. Combining all hunter-gatherer populations, we estimate the frequency of the O allele to be 84% (95% CI: 76-89%), which implies that the frequency of the type O phenotype which requires homozygosity for the O allele was 71%. This is significantly higher than the O allele frequency in present-day Europeans (60-65% in 1000 Genomes populations, with corresponding phenotype frequency ~40%). We do not detect the B allele (rs8176746 and rs8176747) in any hunter-gatherers suggesting that all other individuals were type A. In fact, the B allele is not seen in any Neolithic populations either, and is introduced into Europe by Steppe populations who we estimate carry it at ~8% frequency. (...)"

From Ian Mathieson:

https://twitter.com/mathiesoniain/st...01882063142913

HG = hunter-gatherers
EF = early neolithic farmers
ST = steppe pastoralists

[Peterski]

France was the land of brown people in the 22nd century BC, and will be the land of brown people again in the 22nd century AD.

You are just returning back to your original condition.

Then our Eastern European Indo-European riders of apocalypse will come again, and conquer you, and make you R1 again.

[Peterski]

Beyond that it's just white Mongols.

French propaganda was claiming that blood group B comes from Medieval Mongol invasions.

But now study shows it is from Caucasoid Proto-Indo-Europeans who came in the Bronze Age.

[Lavrentis]

And Greece is now poorer than Poland.

Wrong. Greeks are still living better than Poles, the difference is that the Greek economy is sinking while the Polish economy is growing.



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[Lavrentis]

Screw geography, we are now officially part of Western Europe, like Finland and Greece - right?

Greece is the birthplace of the Western Civilization while the Slavs appeared in the Middle Ages. Huge difference right there.

Greece has undoubtedly offered more to the West than Poland has. And we are already a multi-cultural society, since we have assimilated from Balkan migrators (Arvanites) to christian Anatolian migrators (Anatolian Greeks). We were multi-cultural before it was cool And DESPITE having assimilated non-Western people like the ones I mentioned above, we still remain a Western country.

Also, Greece is considered Western by Western Europeans, unlike Poland.




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[Peterski]

Greece lost its developed market status (you had it back in 2014):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_market#Table

[Peterski]

We were multi-cultural before it was cool

Poland was multi-cultural all the way from ca. 1200s/1300s until WW2 and we have also assimilated some Non-Western people.