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    Developments in genealogical DNA tests might be a reason to weaken the Arabic identity among Lebanese. A lot of Lebanese people who are interested in population genetics became aware of the fact that actual Arabian ancestry among coastal Levantines is low. Maybe it is the reason why Arabic identity among Lebanese is weak anymore. In my opinion, this is one of cons of genealogical DNA tests as they might cause the national identity of a person (or even people) to weaken. Therefore, people need to be aware of the fact that nationalities are not genetically determined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    I have honestly never seen any Arab Christian.
    Neither did I.


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    I have honestly never seen any Arab Christian, Lebanese or not, identify this way unironically in real life.
    Because most of them are outside the Baathi sphere. The lucky ones immigrated either to Los Angeles, Sao Paolo, Mexico, Sydney, Melbourne, Paris or…. 3 meters below Mezzeh level.


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    People say they are descended from them, but this identity is not put above Arab...
    Were your ancestors Arabs before the Arab invasion in 637 A.D.? Did they speak Arabic? Did they identify as Arabs?


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    Arab is not a racial identity, it is not genetic, Arab is a shared cultural consciousness and sphere of influence.
    Instead of Arabs, what if Jews or Persians invaded your area and imposed their language, would you change your identity and promote Greater Israel or Greater Persia because you share a "cultural consciousness and sphere of influence" with them?


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    Arab is not a racial identity, it is not genetic, Arab is a shared cultural consciousness and sphere of influence.
    What do you share with a Kuwaiti, a Yemeni, an Algerian, a Sudanese and a Mauritanian in terms of "cultural consciousness and sphere of influence"? Who are your common leader(s)? What are your common aspirations? What is your common heritage? what are your common cultural affinities?


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    This 'Phoenicianism' was a nationalist identity people adopted because they did not want to be associated with Arab, but I see it as nonsensical...
    Since you were/are a Baathi yourself, you're definitely familiar with the Baath motto: "One Arab Umma with an eternal message".

    ...and you think it's realistic?

    Definitely, Phoenicianism is more realistic than "One Arab Umma".


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    yes, many are similar genetically to ancient Phoenicians
    ...then they must be Arabs...


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    but this identity has essentially been scrubbed away
    By whom?


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    and is no longer relevant in the modern day.
    Guess which people succeeded in reviving their own language and culture after 2000 years ?

    So...we still have a chance


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    It is important to know your history
    True, and not live as a Dhimmi.


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    but I think to adopt this weird identity as a response to pan-Arabism has long fallen out of fashion.
    What is weirder, to restore what existed or to impose an alien identity?
    How to oppose the successful and modern Pan-Arabism?


    Quote Originally Posted by sacha View Post
    If someone does not want to call himself Arab, let him, but this is how he always will be seen so I see no point.
    You want to identify as a Syrian Arab, that's fine, that's the Pan-Arab ideology of your political party led by Pol Pot I (the father) then by Pol Pot II (the son); but to identify as an "Arab Maronite", that would be awkward and/or hilarious.
    "And God said "Love Your Enemy", and I obeyed Him and loved myself." - Gibran Khalil

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