The Labs (by Ibrahim Manzour, 1827)

[wayfarer]

I've read his whole depiction of other Albanians in general and it's not like he describes them in a positive way either, quite the contrary, they are described as uncivilized barbarians incapable of anything worth mentioning.

Yeah I have Greek heritage so I'm familiar with the southern more. If a guys surname is Liapis I tell my pontic cousins to beat him up (for fun).

[Laberia]

I've read his whole depiction of other Albanians in general and it's not like he describes them in a positive way either, quite the contrary, they are described as uncivilized barbarians incapable of anything worth mentioning.

I doubt you have read his whole deciption. He worked for us:

From 1814-1817, he was at the court of Ali Pasha Tepelena in Janina where he served as a military advisor. In later years, under his Muslim name, he published an extensive French-language history of the deposed Ali Pasha, based in good part on his personal experience, the 512-page ‘Mémoires sur la Grèce et l’Albanie pendant le gouvernement d’Ali-Pacha’ (Memoirs of Greece and Albania during the Rule of Ali Pasha), Paris 1827. He committed suicide in Paris in 1826 and, as such, did not live to see the book for which he is remembered by posterity.

[Tauromachos]

I've read his whole depiction of other Albanians in general and it's not like he describes them in a positive way either, quite the contrary, they are described as uncivilized barbarians incapable of anything worth mentioning.

He somehow favors Ghegs as the most noble respectable part of Albanians.

I have heard opposite things from Albanians themselfes but who knows..

Tosks are described as nasty and savage but nevertheless Labs are the worst in
his description

Also funny is he mentions that Albanians thought they come from an
Arab tribe called Arnabud.

At that time they thought it was more noble to be Arabic

Now t´some of them think its noble to be Western European or native Balkan

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I doubt you have read his whole deciption. He worked for us:

I read the whole text where the quote of the OP was extracted and he depicts Albanians far worse than the Portuguese described Amerindians or African tribes on historical records, per example. According to this Ibrahim's writings it seems that your people was seen as some form of troglodytes.

[Laberia]

I read the whole text where the quote of the OP was extracted and he depicts Albanians far worse than the Portuguese described Amerindians or African tribes on historical records, per example. According to this Ibrahim's writings it seems that your people was seen as some form of troglodytes.

But there is an contradiction. He worked in the court of this "troglodyte".

[wayfarer]

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

But there is an contradiction. He worked in the court of this "troglodyte".

If he made that description of the people that were "employing" him then we can be sure that he wasn't being biased because usually people would do the opposite to gain the good will of their bosses.

[wayfarer]

If he made that description of the people what were "employing" him then we can be sure that he wasn't being biased because usually people would do the opposite to gain the good will of their bosses.

Lab BTFO by Iberian God!!!!!!!!!!

[Herr Abubu]

If he made that description of the people what were "employing" him then we can be sure that he wasn't being biased because usually people would do the opposite to gain the good will of their bosses.

Works both ways. It's interesting you somehow managed to interpret him as describing all Albanians negatively, though.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Works both ways. It's interesting you somehow managed to interpret him as describing all Albanians negatively, though.

Because he does. His views on Ghegs are less harsher but when he writes about his general notions on the Albanians he is once again extremely negative and Ghegs are Albanian the last time I checked.