Happy Birthday, Ukraine!

[Rethel]

They are not irrelevant. They are a proof that certain way of thinking (UA - evil; PL - good)

I never said that UA - evil! Rather quite opposite!

You said: "Cursers mostly were
killing some communists, but Banderites whole villages with women and children"

This is objecttivly true.
It is not defend of them.
Do you see the word: mostly?
And count the victims.
If I say: nazis were killing mostly foreighners,
but Soviets their own people - do you thing
this is and artgument to defend Nazis?

As an argument? For comparison? Because I don't understand why starting "Bandera debate" in a thread about Ukrainian independence in any way adequate?

You stared. I asked only about present day propaganda methodology...

I notice however, that you are extremely unwilling to answer properly. I will repeat, in a bit different way: Bandera was not directly involved in Volhynian genocide - the other were. Similarly leaders of Polish partizan groups were most likely not directly involved with crimes commited by members of these groups. You complain on Ukrainians glorifying Bandera, but you never complain on glorification of leaders of Polish groups. Double standards?

Should I complain about polish partizans in Ukrainian thread?

Make a thread about wonderfull Cursers, and you'll see.

And they didn;t kill so much people, as Banderists did.
And this customs began in 1918, not just in 1943...

[ЛыSSый]

[Rethel]

Pagans were developed enough to be free and live happy life.

Would you prefer to live in Polesie or in Frankia in IX century?

You perceive what they were doing as disgusting - please tell me what that was.

Human sacrifie, burning of widows, orgies, snochactwo, aso...

What?

You see, you are defending something, not knowing what.
Widows were burned together with husbands. didn't you
watch Stara Baśń?

[Ülev]

Honestly speaking I don't know this band. I've checked some interview with its leader and he considers the band rather friendly toward Poland. Can you show me these lyrics?

and what about this new "era" "band"

http://wpolityce.pl/polityka/159478-...go-zbrodniarza

[Ülev]

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Are you 88 reincarnation by any chance?

[ЛыSSый]

[Bezprym]

Do you see the word: mostly?

Funny thing you know it, while even historians do not know how many innocent people died because of vengeance.

And count the victims.

Numbers do not matter, the fact does. War crime is a war crime.

If I say: nazis were killing mostly foreighners,
but Soviets their own people - do you thing
this is and artgument to defend Nazis?

Of course not.

You stared. I asked only about present day propaganda methodology...



Should I complain about polish partizans in Ukrainian thread?

Make a thread about wonderfull Cursers, and you'll see.

You should complain about Ukrainian propaganda and Bandera's cult in a thread created for such a discussion. You suggest me opening a thread about Polish partizans, but why won't you open a thread about Bandera and talk about there instead of here?

Maybe I should wait for someone creating a place to talk about Polish Independence Day and start babbling about all shit Poles did in history.

And they didn;t kill so much people, as Banderists did.

I don't care how much people died, the reason they died matters.

And this customs began in 1918, not just in 1943...

What custom? 9-year-old Stepan Bandera was killing Poles?

[Bezprym]

Would you prefer to live in Polesie or in Frankia in IX century?

Definitely in Polesie. Why?

Human sacrifie, burning of widows, orgies, snochactwo, aso...

Human sacrifice was non-existant in Slavic paganism. Burning of widows neither. I don't know about orgies and I don't know what two last words mean. I don't know where you take your information from.

Actually it was the Roman Catholic Church who loved torturing and killing people. Hundreds of years later as well.

You see, you are defending something, not knowing what.
Widows were burned together with husbands. didn't you
watch Stara Baśń?

A novel from 19th century... Nice argument, really. Kraszewski, who was an artist, was also some sort of medium talking to the Pagan spirits?

and what about this new "era" "band"

What about it?

Problem with their name is complicated. They say it is not derived from this particular war criminal, but from literature. However it is a provocation itself.

[Rugevit]

Marusya is half Ukrainian having not visited Ukraine. She likes Ukraine very much. It’s touching to see an American being half Ukrainian, half British attached to Ukrainian (Slavic) heritage.

Happy independence day, Ukraine!

[Ülev]

but bad news for Soviet fans:
https://www.nur.kz/1229868-nazarbaev...sstanovit.html
Назарбаев: Тот, кто хочет восстановить Советский Союз, - у него нет головы / Nazarbayev: Anyone who wants to restore the Soviet Union - has no head