R1a-M458-L1029*

[CabOOM]

3 of my cousins are Cami from their mothers side

Very big and patriotic family from our area. There needs to be more recognition for them

[CabOOM]

There are no Koci left in Epirus. They went to Western Macedonia, per records. Also L1029 is more common in Epirus and northern Greek R1a where Baiounitai settled. Around Janina specifically(oddly enough this is where they were from too). As for the Duka, we are intermarried with some. There was also a Doukas that ruled in Moldova, after Vasil Kocis son lost power. Doukas married Vasil Lupu Koci's daughter. The same Doukas was supposedly from either Epirus or Macedonia. Maybe thats a connection for Duka?

That is a really interesting story. I would really like to read more about it.

Duka I think is also a title. As in Duke. I know however that there is a region of Dukati in Laberia. Some people from this area have surnames Duka. However, this can easily be random convergence. The region of Dukati simply means, Land of Dukes, in a way.

[Kelmendasi]

That is a really interesting story. I would really like to read more about it.

Duka I think is also a title. As in Duke. I know however that there is a region of Dukati in Laberia. Some people from this area have surnames Duka. However, this can easily be random convergence. The region of Dukati simply means, Land of Dukes, in a way.

The surname Duka comes from the title Duke in most cases, for example the surname Dukagjini means Duke Jean in English

[CabOOM]

The surname Duka comes from the title Duke in most cases, for example the surname Dukagjini means Duke Jean in English

Definitely! Completely forgot about Dukagjini. People form Dukagjini don't keep Duka last names, as far as I know. They do have Duka surnames in the south.

Good news is with genetics we will know with relative certainty in the near future.

[Dibran]

Definitely! Completely forgot about Dukagjini. People form Dukagjini don't keep Duka last names, as far as I know. They do have Duka surnames in the south.

Good news is with genetics we will know with relative certainty in the near future.

Assuming world powers don't nuke each other in the near future lol. We can only hope.

[Dibran]

That is a really interesting story. I would really like to read more about it.

Duka I think is also a title. As in Duke. I know however that there is a region of Dukati in Laberia. Some people from this area have surnames Duka. However, this can easily be random convergence. The region of Dukati simply means, Land of Dukes, in a way.

I have to look for the sources and I will post here. I actually have 2 DNA relatives from Moldova who supposedly claim descent to Doukas line. They are surnamed Polocoser. I half wonder if our autosomal connection is through Vasil Lupu Koci's daughter that married Doukas(their supposed ancestor). It seems like a number of scenarios could exist. Interesting nonetheless.

[CabOOM]

I have to look for the sources and I will post here. I actually have 2 DNA relatives from Moldova who supposedly claim descent to Doukas line. They are surnamed Polocoser. I half wonder if our autosomal connection is through Vasil Lupu Koci's daughter that married Doukas(their supposed ancestor). It seems like a number of scenarios could exist. Interesting nonetheless.

Of-course post man. This is like historical gold. I have some Duka in my line.

[Laberia]

3 of my cousins are Cami from their mothers side

Excuse me, you are talking here about the surname Cami or Çami?

[Trojet]

I agree with you about Koci in Diber Vogel and Macedonia. I'm not entirely confident of Epirus. Although I know it is a possibility. Another fis in our area, the Cami fis(just as big as Koci)also have some distant theories of having come from Epirus. Cameria to be exact. If it is true, I imagine their first line would have come as soldiers for Skenderbeu. This is all undocumented though. Just a wild theory. Now that I think about it, there is also a large fis, Duka. Duka exists in Laberia and not so much in Diber.
From our area they went to Arbanas and also Ukraine. They formed the Arberesh communities there, along with communities from Korca, Ohri, and Carmenika.

3 of my cousins are Cami from their mothers side

I'm matching a Cami at 23andMe who is tested J2b2, who by all accounts should indeed be from the Dibra area. I have suggested he tests at FTDNA, but as usual, no response.

So if someone can find a Cami to test, I'm willing to pay for their FTDNA/YSEQ test

[Rethel]

I have some Duka in my line.