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    Quote Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge View Post
    Lactose intolerance is near 100% in your country, being able to drink a glass of milk doesn't make you lactose tolerant. Lactose tolerance is the ability to drink 1.5 gallons of milk a day without dying. Nobody in your country has the full suite of genes for lactose tolerance. Late neolithic corded ware is 5000 years ago, nobody is becoming lactose tolerant today.
    It is exactly the opposite, with lactose tolerancy being nearly complete, and milk and other dairy products being the main element of diet for centuries.
    And yes, frequencies of Bronze Age are important, for if the half of European population managed to select for/evolve genes for it in less than two thousand years, then it has no evolutionary significance indeed.

    What is your next piece of fiction, maybe that Maasai are half-steppeshits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    It is exactly the opposite, with lactose tolerancy being nearly complete, and milk and other dairy products being the main element of diet for centuries.
    And yes, frequencies of Bronze Age are important, for if the half of European population managed to select for/evolve genes for it in less than two thousand years, then it has no evolutionary significance indeed.

    What is your next piece of fiction, maybe that Maasai are half-steppeshits?
    Maasai do not have the full suite of lactose tolerance alleles and thus cannot drink unfermented milk in significant quantities. These people consume fermented milk which destroys the lactic sugars in the milk. The Maasai are 62% completely lactose intolerant. Southern Europeans lack the genes for lactose tolerance:

    It was indeed evolution that favored lactose tolerance in the Lacto-Europeans. Evolution sped up rapidly in the bronze age. The significance is that the non-lactose intolerant populations of Europe and Central Asia were rapidly replaced by the lactose tolerant populations. They had unlocked a new source of calories and also clean water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge View Post
    Maasai do not have the full suite of lactose tolerance alleles and thus cannot drink unfermented milk in significant quantities. These people consume fermented milk which destroys the lactic sugars in the milk. The Maasai are 62% completely lactose intolerant. Southern Europeans lack the genes for lactose tolerance:

    It was indeed evolution that favored lactose tolerance in the Lacto-Europeans. Evolution sped up rapidly in the bronze age. The significance is that the non-lactose intolerant populations of Europe and Central Asia were rapidly replaced by the lactose tolerant populations. They had unlocked a new source of calories and also clean water.


    Your hatred is palpable, my friend.
    No, Kenyan and Tanzanian Maasai are 71% and 59% completely lactose tolerant, respectively (Tishkoff et al. 2007).

    In addition, they did not receive admixture from the steppe, but evolved their genes parallely with herding.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ure-180950064/
    http://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2012199

    Besides, if we were as lactose intolerant as in your ignoramous opinion, we would not have been among those with highest milk consumption per capita:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ion_per_capita

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    No, Kenyan and Tanzanian Maasai are 71% and 59% completely lactose tolerant, respectively (Tishkoff et al. 2007).

    In addition, they did not receive admixture from the steppe, but evolved their genes parallely with herding.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ure-180950064/
    http://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2012199

    Besides, if we were as lactose intolerant as in your ignoramous opinion, we would not have been among those with highest milk consumption per capita:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ion_per_capita
    That's not milk consumption by individuals, it's national purchases of milk by industry (most of which goes to the production of non-lactose dairy products such as cheese, yoghurt, curd, etc.) And most liquid milk on the Southern European market is lactose free.

    The Maasai are in fact 62% lactose intolerant -- as children. For adults the rate would probably be near 99%. The milk they consume is fermented alcoholic milk -- fermentation destroys lactose sugars in the milk and makes it possible to digest by lactose intolerant people such as the Maasai, Montenegrins, etc.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/581925

    http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1023151/1/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge View Post
    That's not milk consumption by individuals, it's national purchases of milk by industry (most of which goes to the production of non-lactose dairy products such as cheese, yoghurt, curd, etc.) And most liquid milk on the Southern European market is lactose free.

    The Maasai are in fact 62% lactose intolerant -- as children. For adults the rate would probably be near 99%. The milk they consume is fermented alcoholic milk -- fermentation destroys lactose sugars in the milk and makes it possible to digest by lactose intolerant people such as the Maasai, Montenegrins, etc.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/581925

    http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1023151/1/
    Your shamelessness in making up "facts" on move is extraordinary, but no, it is exactly what it says: milk consumption per capita.
    Almost none of the milk sold on our market is lactose-free, and most of the milk being consumed is not of fermented sort, but merely pasteurized. Prior to that, raw milk was drunk for centuries.

    As for Maasai, I have posted more recent studies with bigger sample sizes which say quite contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    Your shamelessness in making up "facts" on move is extraordinary, but no, it is exactly what it says: milk consumption per capita.
    Almost none of the milk sold on our market is lactose-free, and most of the milk being consumed is not of fermented sort, but merely pasteurized. Prior to that, raw milk was drunk for centuries.

    As for Maasai, I have posted more recent studies with bigger sample sizes which say quite contrary.
    Incorrect, it is milk purchases for industrial uses per capita -- cheese, yoghurt, curd, etc. I hope yiu don't think "per capita" means purchases of milk per citizen. You didn't post a single study to jack shit and the Maasai should never have 62% lactose intolerance in any sample eize if they are lactose tolerant. The truth is they are not lactose tolerant and do not drink lactose milk. They do not have anywhere near the number of lactose tolerance alleles necessary to be truly lactose tolerant as Northern Europeans are. Montenegrins never drank milk but did make lots of cheese, yoghurt and curd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge View Post
    Incorrect, it is milk purchases for industrial uses per capita -- cheese, yoghurt, curd, etc. I hope yiu don't think "per capita" means purchases of milk per citizen. You didn't post a single study to jack shit and the Maasai should never have 62% lactose intolerance in any sample eize if they are lactose tolerant. The truth is they are not lactose tolerant and do not drink lactose milk. They do not have anywhere near the number of lactose tolerance alleles necessary to be truly lactose tolerant as Northern Europeans are. Montenegrins never drank milk but did make lots of cheese, yoghurt and curd.
    It is exactly what it says, you imbecile- a roughly calculated average of consumption of MILK, not of all dairy products (cheese, yoghurt, kefir, etc.), for all of which you have separate statistics.
    Do not even pretend to know what Montenegrins drink today and what they drank historically, and stop dabbling in matters you are clueless about.

    As for Maasai:
    "Furthermore, Tishkoff et al found the LP [lactase persistence] trait to be at frequencies of 71% and 59% in the Kenyan and Tanzanian Maasai, respectively [...]"
    Source: http://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2012199

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