What's wrong in Lithuania and the Baltic states? Lithuania named EU's murder capital

[Karl]

That's the same number of times I was robbed in my life. And I used to walk alone at night (2:00 AM, 3:00 Am) when I was younger (not wise, but I was younger), not to mention I live in a big Brazilian metropolis. It's interesting (and sad) to know that some places in Europe are as bad as here.

I do not know what places in Europe you are talking about, but Estonia isn't one of them.

Even Russia isn't so "fucked up" as Brazil, when we are talking about crime.

[Norbert]

That is interesting. Is it native Lithuanians who are committing the crimes, or are they immigrants or immigrant mafia-type organizations? I hear a lot of countries in northeastern Europe have problems with Turkish and Albanian mafias.

[Matuo]

Huh....that's surprising i live in Vilnius my whole life and often go out at nights and was attacked only ~7 times in my entire life.That's definitely not Russians causing main problem.Problem is caused by a few reasons first being alcohol and the fact that most Lithuanians are very short-tempered , tough it may not looks so from outside another thing is drugs , junkies don't kill much , but they rob a lot.

I have been attacked and robbed once in Riga, where I have lived almost all of my life, and where I often went out in nights.

Interesting comparision.

It looks like crime level in Lithuania is higher than in Latvia (even with all Russian immigrants included), at least if compare capitals.

I once met a Lithuanian, whose face's skin was visibly burned, yet recovered. He was from Kaunas. He told me that he was involved in crime, and some disagreements arose with other criminals. One night some criminals took him in the car, took to some empty field, and throw him down to land. He was poured over with oil and lighted with fire. So he was burning, he was running away and tried to extinguish fire. He was lucky to survive. Terrible story...


I have read in Latvian news about reprisal between Lithuanians, made in Latvia. For example, some man was found in forest dead, tied to tree with ropes, and burned down. Latvian police found out that the man was Lithuanian, and he was burned down very likely also by Lithuanians. The Lithuanians seemingly thought that they wouldn't be suspected, catched and get punishment, if they did terrible crime in neighbour country.

Well, Lithuanians have been doing also other crimes in Latvia, like robbed cars etc.

Latvians have short-tempered "brothers" indeed.

[Matuo]

That is interesting. Is it native Lithuanians who are committing the crimes, or are they immigrants or immigrant mafia-type organizations? I hear a lot of countries in northeastern Europe have problems with Turkish and Albanian mafias.

It's Lithuanians mostly, who make crimes in Lithuania. I have even myself met them, and they have told me that yes, they are criminals.

How did I meet them, you might wonder? I was once hitchhiking in Lithuania. And I was lifted up by some cars drivers, who didn't even hide from me, who they were - criminals. They told truth about their occupation. But they were nice to me, didn't do anything bad. I heard some interesting stories from them and had interesting conversations.

I have travelled with hitchiking across all Baltic countries. Well, I was really crazy then. Now I realise that. But nothing bad happened. Nobody touched me.

Ironically, I get most scared in Estonia from an Estonian car driver, not from Lithuanians, whatever criminals they might be. One Estonian car driver started to talk about "what's the point to live, I want to die", and asked me "do you want to die?". I was scared like shit, I thought he will with purpose go off road and hit a tree, causing an accident, where we would die. But luckily he didn't do so. Maybe because my answer was "no".

[Karl]

Ironically, I get most scared in Estonia from an Estonian car driver, not from Lithuanians, whatever criminals they might be. One Estonian car driver started to talk about "what's the point to live, I want to die", and asked me "do you want to die?". I was scared like shit, I thought he will with purpose go off road and hit a tree, causing an accident, where we would die. But luckily he didn't do so. Maybe because my answer was "no".

philosophical, suicidal Finnic people, you better avoid them.

Asking, "What's the point to live?" is actually philosophical in a way, it's the same as asking what's the purpose of life. But combined with "I want to die" it's also suicidal. Or he was just trying to play a joke on you and creep you out. Estonians can have quite "black humor".



But the impression I get from this thread is that the crime in Estonia is caused by Eastern-Europeans, Russians to be precise, while the crime in Lithuania is caused by Lithuanians who act like Eastern-Europeans(thus are Eastern-Europeans).

One more interesting fact, the Balts(especially Lithuanians) have a reputation of stealing cars from Estonia. As far as the majority of car thefts in Estonia are done by the Lithuanians and it's organized by Lithuanian mafia.

Lithuanians are indeed foreign people from an Estonian point of view, I have no idea how Latvians, their Baltic brethren, view them. Lithuanians are from one point of view, Central-Europeans, but from another point of view, Eastern-Europeans.

[Eldritch]

More worldwide alcohol stats. Recent study, but data from 2005.





WHO Global Status on Alcohol and Health.

[Peerkons]

philosophical, suicidal Finnic people, you better avoid them.

Asking, "What's the point to live?" is actually philosophical in a way, it's the same as asking what's the purpose of life. But combined with "I want to die" it's also suicidal. Or he was just trying to play a joke on you and creep you out. Estonians can have quite "black humor".



But the impression I get from this thread is that the crime in Estonia is caused by Eastern-Europeans, Russians to be precise, while the crime in Lithuania is caused by Lithuanians who act like Eastern-Europeans(thus are Eastern-Europeans).

One more interesting fact, the Balts(especially Lithuanians) have a reputation of stealing cars from Estonia. As far as the majority of car thefts in Estonia are done by the Lithuanians and it's organized by Lithuanian mafia.

Lithuanians are indeed foreign people from an Estonian point of view, I have no idea how Latvians, their Baltic brethren, view them. Lithuanians are from one point of view, Central-Europeans, but from another point of view, Eastern-Europeans.

Lithuanians have low culture of behavior.
Many view them as "assholes".

[Lurker]

I do not know what places in Europe you are talking about, but Estonia isn't one of them.

Even Russia isn't so "fucked up" as Brazil, when we are talking about crime.

I was talking about Vilnius, Lithuania, due to the testimony of the user Praamžius.

[Heretik]

Yeah, Vilnius is as just as dangerous as Rio or Sao Paolo.

[Falkata]

So now the bad guys are the lithuanians. Until a lithuanian member appeared saying that the criminals in Vilnius are the ukranians and we can continue with this snowball