What's wrong in Lithuania and the Baltic states? Lithuania named EU's murder capital

[Guapo]

Yeah, Vilnius is as just as dangerous as Rio or Sao Paolo.

Or Stallinn

[Lurker]

Yeah, Vilnius is as just as dangerous as Rio or Sao Paolo.

Well, not as dangerous as Rio or Sao Paulo, cities that have two or three times the population of Lithuania itself and immigrant problems that dwarf anything in Europe, but it does seem to have the same crime rates as Sorocaba, for example, a city of comparable size (Sorocaba has 600,000 people living there and a murder rate of 8/100,000).

[Falkata]

Well, not as dangerous as Rio or Sao Paulo, cities that have two or three times the population of Lithuania itself and immigrant problems that dwarf anything in Europe, but it does seem to have the same crime rates as Sorocaba, for example, a city of comparable size (Sorocaba has 600,000 people living there and a murder rate of 8/100,000).

Rio de Janeiro had a murder rate of 46,4/100,000 in 2006.

[Don]

More worldwide alcohol stats. Recent study, but data from 2005.





WHO Global Status on Alcohol and Health.

Mhhh very interseting maps, in particular the relation between both.

Some conclusions:

- The sudaca inmigrants, as you know, various millions came to Spain in the last 10 years, are related usually with beer. It is normal to see them with beers in the hands in the streets and behaving disturbingly.
But they drink much less than native spaniards. They have the same beer in the hand for hours. Only two or three are required to turn them idiots (more than normal). The same to moors and negros and asians and others.Transaminases, genetic, racial involvement.

- The behaviour of drinking. We call it Buen Beber/Mal beber. It is interesting the second map for that. The less risky patterns are europeans, in particular western, southern and central. I dare to say that the most "healthy" ones are the culturas del vino (wine cultures), I mean Spain, France and Italy mainly. It is a different way to drink related to the previous racial or genetic component that allow them (us) and interacts with these to keep a equilibrated and intelligent drinking behaviour related to social events and ancient traditions. So, a cultural trait.

[Eldritch]

Mhhh very interseting maps, in particular the relation between both.

Some conclusions:

- The sudaca inmigrants, as you know, various millions came to Spain in the last 10 years, are related usually with beer. It is normal to see them with beers in the hands in the streets and behaving disturbingly.
But they drink much less than native spaniards. They have the same beer in the hand for hours. Only two or three are required to turn them idiots (more than normal). The same to moors and negros and asians and others.Transaminases, genetic, racial involvement.

I have a feeling that these people use even slight, minor inebriation as an excuse to behave like idiots.

- The behaviour of drinking. We call it Buen Beber/Mal beber. It is interesting the second map for that. The less risky patterns are europeans, in particular western, southern and central. I dare to say that the most "healthy" ones are the culturas del vino (wine cultures), I mean Spain, France and Italy mainly. It is a different way to drink related to the previous racial or genetic component that allow them (us) and interacts with these to keep a equilibrated and intelligent drinking behaviour related to social events and ancient traditions. So, a cultural trait.

I think the preferred drink itself (wine vs. beer or vodka) is incidental. Many northern countries had their drinking cultures destroyed by prohibition laws in the early 20th Century. I know this certainly happened in mine, and to this day there remains all too much of the mal beber, as you aptly out it, a form of drinking that has intoxication itself as the goal, here.

[Albion]

The only other countries reporting more than two cases a year per hundred thousand population were Finland, Bulgaria, Scotland, Romania, the Czech Republic and Ireland,' Eurostat reported.

Scotland?, Ireland??? Finland??

[Don]

I have a feeling that these people use even slight, minor inebriation as an excuse to behave like idiots.



I think the preferred drink itself (wine vs. beer or vodka) is incidental. Many northern countries had their drinking cultures destroyed by prohibition laws in the early 20th Century. I know this certainly happened in mine, and to this day there remains all too much of the mal beber, as you aptly out it, a form of drinking that has intoxication itself as the goal, here.

We do it here when we are teenagers, I mean drink to get drunk and all the traits derived from it, in some kind of competition, but after the 20s (depends on the person maturity), our relation with alcohol is much more selective and controlled. "Más señoritos."
We enjoy the environment and situation where we drink (birra y tapas, o vinitos) than the result of drinking.

[Lenny]

Lithuania saw an average 8.76 murders per 100,000
Estonia recorded 6.6 murders per 100,000

Some perspective:

Murders Per 100,000 Population
<1.0: Austria, Slovenia and Germany
6.6 : Estonia [via Russian-speakers]
8.8 : Lithuania

5.4 : USA , 2008
21.2 : USA-Blacks

USA By State
0.5 : North Dakota
1.0 : New Hampshire
1.4 : Utah
1.9 : Wyoming
1.9 : Hawaii
2.4 : Maine
...
5.4 : USA
...
20.4 : Puerto Rico
31.4 : District of Columbia, 2008
80.6 : District of Columbia in 1991 (rising to well over 100 for DC-Blacks)

"Ironically", the smallest amount of [Estonia's] crime is in Saaremaa and Hiiumaa. Hiiumaa is by percentage the most Estonian part of Estonia, Saaremaa comes second.

I know we will also all be shocked to see that the USA's list of lowest murder-states is nearly identical to a "whitest states" list. (Except Hawaii which is mostly Oriental.)

[Data is for 2008, and from the FBI.
1. For USA where killer's race is known
2. Overall murder rates by state,
3. Washington DC historical rates].

[sarinana]

Lithuania has relatively few Russians, though.

True. But we also have relatively high number of poles.

I remember in a neighborhood where I grew up there were several playgrounds where kids used to play. One of them was mainly used by russian and polish kids who would aggressively chase the lithuanian kids away if you stepped there unless there was some adult to discipline them. Generally we lithuanian children wouldn't even go close to that playground to not get into trouble and only hoped they wouldn't come to use the other playground which was just next to my house. But of course them russian kids thought they owned everything without any respect to anyone. The war that lasted till my family moved to a new place begun. Dont wanna go into details but that's when I first realized how aggressive are the russians.

Second time I had to deal with the russians was when I was 16 and got my first job as a leaflet distributor. Once I had to distribute the leaflets in this town 20mins away on the train from Vilnius. As soon as me and my friend stepped out of the train we realized something was very wrong with that place. Alcohol bottles everywhere. Several drunken tramp faces... We went to a local shop to buy some water just to be spoken in russian by the cash girl and then realized that everyone else around us speaks in russian. That was not a problem as we could understand bits and pieces of russian it was just slightly weird.
Anyway as soon as we got deeper into the area to distribute leaflets what we saw was shocking. Dirty children running everywhere, from as young as 2 years old without any adults looking after them. The only adults we've seen were enjoying alcohol rather than looking after the kids. They all looked liked tramps.
Later we got chased by some gang of 6 to 10 years old. Another 8 year old dude asked us for some cash and fags. And some teenage prick tried to scare drive on us. Indeed visiting that place was one of the scariest experiences of my life and we couldn't wait to leave.
When I got back home Ive tried to research the area and found out that 97% of the population there are russians and decided to never step in there again.

[Danielion]

Still pales in comparison with the New World. I actually dare going to Vilnius feeling perfectly safe. I cannot say this for Ciudad Juárez or even downtown Detroit.