What's wrong in Lithuania and the Baltic states? Lithuania named EU's murder capital

[The Ripper]

Just the small difference is that the violent crimes in Finland are made by the (natives) Finns, while the violent crimes in Estonia are made by the (immigrants) Russians.

Estonians are the only ethnic group in the world who don't commit crimes? What is the crime rate of Estonians, do you have any stats, or are you talking out of your ass? I doubt they would significantly deviate from e.g. Finns.

[Äike]

Estonians are the only ethnic group in the world who don't commit crimes? What is the crime rate of Estonians, do you have any stats, or are you talking out of your ass? I doubt they would significantly deviate from e.g. Finns.

Estonians do crimes, of course, but I already proved my point when I said that the majority of the prisoners in Estonia are of Russian heritage.

Estonians also lack the Finnish "violent gene".

[The Ripper]

Estonians do crimes, of course, but I already proved my point when I said that the majority of the prisoners in Estonia are of Russian heritage.

Prove your point by giving me the murder rate of Estonians.

Estonians also lack the Finnish "violent gene".

So? Russians lack it too, yet they manage without quite well.

[Äike]

Prove your point by giving me the murder rate of Estonians.

I do not have such data, nor am I willing to browse around in stat.ee

If you're saying that Estonians murder more people in Estonia every year, than the immigrants/Russians do, then I would say that you should prove your claims.

You said that you sometimes read Estonian news, I'm certain that a few "Dmitri stabbed Vladimir" news should have passed your eyes.

Russians making 3/4 of the prison population of Estonia should be proof enough.

So? Russians lack it too, yet they manage without quite well.

Their Mongol heritage makes up for it.

[The Ripper]

I do not have such data, nor am I willing to browse around in stat.ee

If you're saying that Estonians murder more people in Estonia every year, than the immigrants/Russians do, then I would say that you should prove your claims.

First you have to prove I've made such claims!

It is you who implied that Estonians are less violently criminal than Finns. ("In Estonia Russians commit crimes, in Finland Finns") Well, not in Finland at least. But it would be interesting to know how their crime rate compares, when the they are seen seperately from the Russian minority.

You said that you sometimes read Estonian news, I'm certain that a few "Dmitri stabbed Vladimir" news should have passed your eyes.

Russians making 3/4 of the prison population of Estonia should be proof enough.

This only proves that Russians in Estonia are more violently criminal than Estonians. It doesn't prove that Estonians have a lower rate than Finns, as you insinuated. So stop beating about the bush and come out with something that can be construed as evidence in one direction or other.

[Guapo]

Russians combined with extremely large amounts of alcohol and drugs...

It's not rare when you can read news like this, "Dmitri stabbed Vladimir in drunken rage, Vladimir bled to death."

The majority of the Estonian prison population is Russian, although they are a minority. The majority of Estonia's crime is centered in Tallinn(50% are immigrants) and Ida-Virumaa(mostly Russian county in Eastern-Estonia, it includes the 3rd largest city in Estonia, which is over 90% Russian).

"Ironically", the smallest amount of crime is in Saaremaa and Hiiumaa. Hiiumaa is by percentage the most Estonian part of Estonia, Saaremaa comes second.

If you want to become a police officer in Estonia and do not speak a single word of Russian, then the interviewers during the job conversation would be laughing in tears.

Do you actually live under a rock? Have you ever left your basement is what I am asking.

[The Ripper]

Do you actually live under a rock? Have you ever left your basement is what I am asking.

With all due respect, its you who don't have a clue about the Russian minority in Estonia.

[Äike]

First you have to prove I've made such claims!

It is you who implied that Estonians are less violently criminal than Finns. ("In Estonia Russians commit crimes, in Finland Finns") Well, not in Finland at least. But it would be interesting to know how their crime rate compares, when the they are seen seperately from the Russian minority.


This only proves that Russians in Estonia are more violently criminal than Estonians. It doesn't prove that Estonians have a lower rate than Finns, as you insinuated. So stop beating about the bush and come out with something that can be construed as evidence in one direction or other.

You misinterpreted my post at first. I was just claiming that the crime in Estonia is caused by Russians, while the crime in Finland is caused by the Finns(as Finland is 99% native). None of those factors could be read as "Finns are more violent than the Estonians".

I do not know who is more violent, the Estonians or the Finns, nor do I care that much.

Do you actually live under a rock? Have you ever left your basement is what I am asking.

Nah, I live in Tallinn.

[The Ripper]

You misinterpreted my post at first. I was just claiming that the crime in Estonia is caused by Russians, while the crime in Finland is caused by the Finns(as Finland is 99% native). None of those factors could be read as "Finns are more violent than the Estonians".

Well when I said that most of Finnish violent crime is very similar to that category of "Vladimir stabs Igor with vodka bottle", you said that in Estonia only Russians do that, while in Finland it is Finns. May be you should learn to be balanced in your opinions instead of trying to fit everything into that Nordic paradigm of yours. I would guess Estonians are significantly more violent than Scandinavians on average, just like Finns.

[Äike]

Well when I said that most of Finnish violent crime is very similar to that category of "Vladimir stabs Igor with vodka bottle", you said that in Estonia only Russians do that, while in Finland it is Finns. May be you should learn to be balanced in your opinions instead of trying to fit everything into that Nordic paradigm of yours. I would guess Estonians are significantly more violent than Scandinavians on average, just like Finns.

If I could post in Estonian, then there would be less misunderstandings.

My point was, if Finland is 99% native, then it's logical that most of the crime is done by the people who belong into that 99% group.

While in the case of Estonia, Estonians make 70% of the total population, but most of the criminals aren't part of the 70%, they are a part of the 30% minority, which is a majority in the prisons.


I just do no understand how anyone could get offended if I say "the ethnic group which composes 99% of your country's population is responsible for most of the crimes in your country".

In any normal country, where the natives are an absolute majority, most of the crime is caused by them. Estonia is an exception, of course, because the immigrant population is quite large and the immigrant population itself is very inclined for doing crime from the start.