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    Question New York Abortion Rates - Good News?

    First of all: New York abortion rate review shows 39% of pregnancies terminated - National post-partisan | Examiner.com

    ABC and CBS news set off an internet firestorm with reports that 39% of pregnancy outcomes in New York City terminate by abortion.

    The Big Apple’s Health Department reported on over 210,000 pregnancies in 2010. Over 87,000 of those pregnancies ended in terminations.


    At least no one can accuse the pro-choice community of not doing its part to end overcrowding in Manhattan.


    Since race is sure to come up – as it always does in today's "post-racial" America – the ethnic breakdown was as follows:

    • African American pregnancies ending in abortion: about 60%
    • Latino pregnancies ending in abortion: about 40%.
    • Asian and white pregnancies ending in abortion: about 20% for each group.
    He goes on to assert that it might be a lot of people going to New York to kill the fetus, but it seems unlikely to me that such impoverished persons could afford to travel from all over just to enter New York for an abortion. However, I'd like to add to his statistics regarding a racial breakdown (which is what made me post this in The Racial Tragedy rather than the America forum).

    Secondly:

    New York City is losing Blacks

    An accelerating exodus of American-born blacks, coupled with slight declines in birthrates and a slowing influx of Caribbean and African immigrants, have produced a decline in New York City's black population for the first time since the draft riots during the Civil War, according to preliminary census estimates.

    An analysis of the latest figures, which show the city with 30,000 fewer black residents in 2004 than in 2000, also revealed stark contrasts in the migration patterns of blacks and whites.

    While white New Yorkers are still more likely than blacks to leave the city, they are also more likely to relocate to the nearby suburbs (which is where half the whites move) or elsewhere in the Northeast, or to scatter to other cities and retirement communities across the country. Moreover, New York remains a magnet for whites from most other states.
    Now, according to the Times article, Negroes make up less that 25% of New York City's population, but as recent statistics in the Post-Partisan Examiner article show, 60% of their pregnancies are terminated. Right now, there is no racial or eugenicist agenda among pro-abortion activists, at least not visibly, but the pro-life crowd have repeatedly attempted to smear their opponents with charges of a secret racial agenda to exterminate black people, since the founder of Planned Parenthood was in fact a dedicated eugenicist. The racial basis for her programme, however, stands on shaky ground.

    I have taken the liberty of also finding information on the New York City Mexican population ("Mexican" here refers to all half-breeds from south of the border, not just from Mexico itself). Wikipedia claims that up to 36% of the population are foreign-born. This includes Asians and Africans as well as our target, so let's break it down more. According to the 2000 Census, 27% of the population is "Hispanic (any race)". 40% of all their pregnancies are terminated, as cited above. Asians and whites collectively constitute 55% of the city population, but only 20% of each abort.

    The great question, of course, is what effect this is having on overall demography, and whether the trend is repeating itself elsewhere. I do not have these statistics. It seems to me that most Negroes seem to be moving back into the South, which has always struck me as a major problem. Carpet-baggers did no good for the south in the 19th century, they aren't going to do any good in the 21st either.

    However, serious questions are begged by this information, and I decided they were worth posing to you all here, including European members, whose nations suffer from overcrowding by immigrants (especially Negroes), constituting a degenerate and criminal population similar to the foreigners and Negroes in America.

    Can the American Negro and Mexican populations be brought into wider decline, or are they simply replaced with more Africans as their numbers decline? If the Negro declines in America, what sort of void will it create and can it benefit Euro-Americans?

    Finally, the big question, are abortion campaigns aimed at impoverished populations a boon or a bane to European and American society? If they are a boon, should we be pursuing them more earnestly in the European Preservationist community?

    I myself have long been anti-abortion because of the spiritual ramifications, but if we have the opportunity to bring the ever-expanding population of undesirables under control or even into decline through the use of this method, I have to wonder if it's not a good idea to endorse abortion.

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    Abortions are only a problem, if you abort children/embryos you need and which would fit into the group, with the end of the pregnancy being a loss for the group. Even worse if there are not enough children of that quality born any more at all.

    If that is not the case, abortion is no problem to me, because the embryo is not a conscious being or human person in the sense I described and discussed it on this board already.

    So what happens in New York is nothing great, but it is good news for sure, because it could be worse: More Europeans using abortion, more foreign elements do not.

    Yet I'm pretty sure it is not really good news, because Europeans are more likely to plan their life and even sexual activities, so they use other contraceptives.

    To put it simple, the foreign elements get more pregnancies, so they abort more often and still have more offspring left. Abortion is just "the contraceptive of those which are too dumb, to unplanned and careless" - of course, an unwanted pregnancy can always happen, even if using contraceptives and nobody is so planned to use a relatively secure contraceptives all the time me thinks (which is why I'm for legal abortions in general, I don't want to push woman into an unwanted pregnancy), but some just do it on a regular basis.

    Women having many abortions in a row are usually at the lower end of the moral, social and intellectual spectrum.

    Because even if I'm generally "pro choice" and not against abortions, it should be something being done as a last resort and not as "the regular contraceptive", yet some morons use it that way it seems. Heard of women which had 5 abortions + already...
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    60% of black pregnancies end in abortion?! o_O

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    So.. to all of you people that are complaining already: suppose that these anti-abortionists got what they wanted: then what ?



    Wake up and smell the coffee.


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    The American eugenicist Madison Grant was an advocate of abortion...

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    Originally Posted by Agrippa
    If that is not the case, abortion is no problem to me, because the embryo is not a conscious being or human person in the sense I described and discussed it on this board already.
    I'm guessing your priest would have a thing or two to say to you about this remark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    I'm guessing your priest would have a thing or two to say to you about this remark.
    Even if I would believe in a god (probably I do?), I wouldn't believe in a god making rules too stupid for life and making it in this world, because then, god must be a sadist, and if there is a god, I prefer to imagine it as something different from a pure sadist you know.

    And to make life for conscious human beings better in this world, one has to use certain measures, which include Eugenic-medical measures, which again include abortion for various reasons.

    I wouldn't want to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child, unless this specific child would be of such a great importance to the group, that their individual choice can't get the priority.
    But on a regular basis, individual choice comes first, for abortions as well as Euthanasia and many other things the church is principally against, just because being far removed from the human biological and social reality as well as individual needs.

    I prefer to be for what's better for the people than for something unproven - even more so if I don't see the higher moral in it.

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    Anyhow, stats published in Corsi's The Obama Nation showed that blacks have about 35% of abortions nationally, whites are underrepresented, and that abortion clinics are found disproportionately in minority neighborhoods. The Posner study years ago also ascribed the decrease in our crime rates to high abortion levels among minority and low income mothers starting after Roe v. Wade.

    Make of these what you will, but there is no question that abortion and eugenics have an intimate history, and that American racialist leaders, including the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, were both eugenicists and abortion proponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Even if I would believe in a god (probably I do?), I wouldn't believe in a god making rules too stupid for life and making it in this world, because then, god must be a sadist, and if there is a god, I prefer to imagine it as something different from a pure sadist you know.

    And to make life for conscious human beings better in this world, one has to use certain measures, which include Eugenic-medical measures, which again include abortion for various reasons.

    I wouldn't want to force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child, unless this specific child would be of such a great importance to the group, that their individual choice can't get the priority.
    But on a regular basis, individual choice comes first, for abortions as well as Euthanasia and many other things the church is principally against, just because being far removed from the human biological and social reality as well as individual needs.

    I prefer to be for what's better for the people than for something unproven - even more so if I don't see the higher moral in it.
    If a woman is willing to abort all her children, and not have any children, in my opinion this shows she's highly self-interested. Highly self-interested women have self-interested children, so I see abortion destroying genetic lines as being a natural selection away from self-interested behavior more towards caring, cooperative behavior. A good thing.

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    Abortion is a good thing for anyone who can't support a child financially and/or emotionally, regardless of race. Adoption can be a better option, but it's for the individual to decide.

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