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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Black women are much more willing to abort than are white or even Mexican women. They seem to be able to more easily stomach the whole abortion process, whereas white and to a lesser extent Mexican women seem to have much more difficulty emotionally actually going through with an abortion, whereas black woman do not in comparison.

    I'd say this has a lot to do with how a black child is viewed in comparison with a white or Mexican child. To an ignorant young black woman aborting a black child is not the cultural and or social travesty that aborting a white or Mexican child is to those mothers. I think there is more shame for the white and Mexican women than the black woman feels.

    And yeah it is absolutely true. Abortion in the last 50 years has killed more blacks and Mexicans than in all of slavery and U.S. wars combined 500x. Ask a white social liberal about abortion sometime. Nod and smile accordingly. Then go talk to some 'supposedly' crazy, evil-racist eugenicist who is pro-abortion. See if the two's arguements are all that different once you remove the sociopolitical labels and look at their substance objectively.
    In the US of A things are different from Europe, because in many European countries the women have a more rational attitude towards abortion, with less of a religious and pseudo-religious moral. Generally, that would be fine, but in the current context, this leads to many of them aborting their children.

    In some regions the abortion rates are much higher than for non-Europeans, I can assure you that, so it is NOT, it is not primarily genetic, in my opinion, but largely depends on other factors.

    F.e. how many sexual affairs do women have, how do they use contraceptives and how lasting are their relationships. Obviously, it is insance to carry on the embryo of a man which left the woman long ago and won't care about the baby if it would be born, unless it is about the last chances of this woman to procreate successfully in this life.

    But since most of them have still hope, because many which abort want children, just not at that point in their life, that the conditions could get better, they prefer to abort. It is as simple as that.

    Especially in Eastern Europe whole generations being aborted, and abortion is there not such a moral and religious menace like the countries in which Christianity is still an important cultural factor for many.

    So who does abortions most often depends also on socio-cultural factors, definitely.

    Point is, the abortions are not the most crucial problem to me, because unwanted children from affairs are hardly what will cure Europeans, but the real problem is the absence of the rule of blood, familiy ties and community (Gemeinschaft).

    This is true for the USA as well largely, but not as much regionally, individually of course. And it began with Christianity, "funnily", in which there is no rule of blood in the religious texts, but just the egalitarian approach which always prefers the "next world" and "afterlife" before this life.

    Such an attitude made what followed, in a way, much easier.

    I wrote on that here:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12370

    So it is an old "Western sickness" to say it blunt, which just got TOTALLY out of control recently, mainly due to Liberalism and Cultural Marxism.

    I say specifically Cultural Marxism, because birthrates and positive selection for Europeans was among the best in various "Communist" countries, and worst in some "Western" countries, in which Cultural Marxism, including radical feminism, anti-discrimination laws, free-cheap sexuality, many foreigners, "career before everything" and other stupid rules of Liberalcapitalism and Cultural Marxism were applied.

    Talking about solutions, abortion is a useful tool for individuals and the group, the problems lie deeper and a solution should try to dig deeper: It must mean to change our societies, to change them from societies of Liberal individuals to a community, a Gemeinschaft and rules which make to every single member the value of blood, ancestry and offspring clear.

    Many people and cultures practising abortion and even infanticide knew that and flourished, that is not crucial for this. Yet they would have - almost never - killed a healthy baby coming from a regular marriage, unless having not enough food, the child was deformed or the like, or the rules of inheritance could cause serious problems - an old degeneration of many of these societies in the West in particular.

    But as you can guess, we are far, far removed from any of such communities by now, in the West, in all countries. The disease just has somewhat different forms if travelling from the USA to Great Britain, from there to France, to Germany, Poland or Russia.

    But in the end, some basic problems stay the same: The lack of community, the lack of blood rules.

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    Why is reproduction selfless?
    Because you have to expend time and resources on your children, that you would otherwise want to expend on yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    Because you have to expend time and resources on your children, that you would otherwise want to expend on yourself.
    But you could expand time and energy on other peoples children instead of your own, if you were selfless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    Because you have to expend time and resources on your children, that you would otherwise want to expend on yourself.
    Unfortunately... that's one of the main reasons for abortion: "I don't want to spend time and resources on a child.. it was only a one night stand.."



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    Breedingvariety, why should I spend my time and resources on OTHER people's children, though? This idea of "selflessness" is too close to altruistic suicide for my liking. The people who have such children and cannot care for them are the selfish ones. Not the people who want to raise GOOD children through conviction and toil in order to keep society going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breedingvariety View Post
    But you could expand time and energy on other peoples children instead of your own, if you were selfless.
    Theoretically yes, but I doubt people who don't have children of their own are likely to do that, unless they're infertile. Generally, IMO, people who remain childless by choice are less likely to be altruistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser11 View Post
    Breedingvariety, why should I spend my time and resources on OTHER people's children, though? This idea of "selflessness" is too close to altruistic suicide for my liking. The people who have such children and cannot care for them are the selfish ones. Not the people who want to raise GOOD children through conviction and toil in order to keep society going.
    Maybe because you're a bit selfish, frankly. I recommend you not to take up the following jobs: anything in the medical or educational branches. And also stay out of the police force because you might have to look after someone's child or after someone else in general then one day.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser11 View Post
    Breedingvariety, why should I spend my time and resources on OTHER people's children, though? This idea of "selflessness" is too close to altruistic suicide for my liking. The people who have such children and cannot care for them are the selfish ones. Not the people who want to raise GOOD children through conviction and toil in order to keep society going.
    I was not advocating people care for others children. I just don't see how caring for ones own children is selfless.

    In a way you could have lot's of children and little care for them or few children with much care for them. Both are selfish race survival strategies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    Theoretically yes, but I doubt people who don't have children of their own are likely to do that, unless they're infertile. Generally, IMO, people who remain childless by choice are less likely to be altruistic.
    Childless singles are more likely to be grumpy. Maybe these are different sides of the same coin.

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    A selfish person can still do a competent job as a policeman/policewoman, or as a doctor or other kind of healthcare provider. However, you are paid for a job; altruism implies doing something without expectation of reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    A selfish person can still do a competent job as a policeman/policewoman, or as a doctor or other kind of healthcare provider. However, you are paid for a job; altruism implies doing something without expectation of reward.
    I don't think that they can, frankly. Because they would only do what they get paid for and nothing else. It's perhaps the very worst of incentives.



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