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    The worst Serbs have always been Montenigrin Serbs, interesting enough.

    Milosovic was a Montenigrin Serb. Arkan was one too etc.

    Interesting how the ones with the biggest hate for Albanians were actually the closest to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    I wouldn't really say they are extinct. Albanians used to call themselves Arberesh but now call themselves Shqiptar (except for the ones in Italy that kept that name). That doesn't mean that the Shqiptars and Arbereshes are different people. The Albanians kept their language and genetics intact so they are their descendants like how the Greeks are the descendants of the ancient Greeks. But that doesn't mean Albanians can just lay claim on lands that were Illyrian once upon a time.
    Same way Serbs can't lay claim to areas that were occupied by the supposed Serb medieval kingdom or the empire of Stefan Dusan prior to Ottoman occupation, and that for only briefly 200 years which is exactly what they base their claim on Kosovo on. Going by your logic Serbs have also a right to modern Albania , Macedonia and Northern Greece if modern Serbs can identify themselves with a medieval kingdom that they have no continuation to As if these lands, including Kosovo, had originally been Serbian from the start when in fact they weren't.

    Under the Bulgarians , Kosovo was described as predominantly Bulgarian but there can be no question it contained a Vlach and Albanian population as at this time we even have a record of an Albanian village in Bulgaria known as Arbanas , and majority of these Albanians had Slavic names and were Orthodox Christians. What we are seeing is a Slavicization of Albanians and Vlachs in the plains of Kosovo and Macedonia. You see this process during Serbian rule of Kosovo too.

    There were Albanians recorded as Arbanas.

    Only area where a Albanian majority population survived was in isolated mountainous areas of Northern Albania right at the border of modern Kosovo. It is only natural that right when the Slavic occupation of Kosovo stopped the Albanian population in the area started increasing. You immediately see this pattern when you look at the demographic history. By 20th century even Southern Serbia contained a strong Albanian population.

    The Bulgarians had occupied all these areas, the Byzantines also and later the Ottomans. It was under Ottoman occupation for 500 years and many of these areas had naturally become Albanian by the 20th century as Albanians weren't exposed to Slavicization any more they grew as a population instead of getting assimilated is the pattern that we are seeing.

    Serbia gained its independence from the Ottomans in the 19th century which did not include modern Kosovo and many areas they hold today.

    Some years later they expanded South and conquered Kosovo which contained mostly an Albanian population and various other areas. According to your logic this was justified because it was briefly held by some medieval Serbs 500 years prior therefor it must be Serbian forever? But according to you Albanians cannot claim former Ilyrian lands. Great logic.

    But the claim on Kosovo doesnt lie on it being former Ilyrian land.

    Mind you also that Serbia illegally incorporated Kosovo into its country. Therefor Serbia and Yugoslavia illegally occupied Kosovo from 1912 to 1999.

    During that time they made sure to ethnically wipe out Albanians from most of those lands they had occupied and colonize those areas and move more Serbs in.


    Northern Mitrovica and Northern Kosovo were prior to the war predominantly Albanian.

    Your comparison with Dalmatia and Kosovo is also lame and shows your lack of knowledge regarding history.

    Northern Albania is a mountainous area that originally contained mountain tribes and served as a refugee place. This was mentioned by various historians and anthropologists from Carleton Coon to Noel Malcolm. It is by far closer to Kosovo and Macedonia than it is to Dalmatia or Bosnia.

    When the Slavs and Avars invaded the Balkans , the plains of Kosovo and Macedonia was depopulated of it's native population. It's population retreated into the mountainous areas of mostly Albania, Western Kosova, Western Macedonia which is the closest area. Migrations from Dalmatia and Bosnia and into Northern Albania happened much less since they are much further away. Same way migrations out happened to the closest areas. But the growth of an Albanian population in Kosovo is also the growth of a native population Arbanas + Malsi migrations.

    My ancestors came from Malsia but we aren't migrants , we travelled some km. The mountain tribe we come from Gash I gurit is right at the border of Kosovo. Mind you that such modern borders did not exist at the time.

    Slavs migrated much further. Serbs migrated into Croatia and Bosnia but nobody makes a fuss about this. Now they also want independent republika srpska.

    Kosovo , Macedonia etc still had Albanian minorities under Slavic rule which were obvious sign of a native population whos land had been stolen.

    Why would you expect Albanians to be a majority in these areas when they were made to become Slavs? Give their children Slavic names and become Slavic Orthodox. What you are seeing is technically cultural genocode or cultural marxism. Even Albanian churches turned into Slavic. You see this pattern in Kosovo.

    Serbian modern nationalism bases its terrotorial claims on a medieval empire so long gone. This is how much of a brainwashed population they are. And Ottomans weren't the only problems for this empire. The Serbs had conquered Kosovo from the Bulgarians and Byzantiums, whos to say none of these would of been able to conquer it back? You also had the principality of Dukagjini that held Kosovo .. it stretched from Northern Albania all the way to the plains of Prishtina.



    No Albanian is claiming Dalmatia or Bosnia , Kosovo is a totally different case. There are many lands we would of been majority if it wasnt for Serbian occupation or in general Slavic expansion . Us being majority is something that would of happened naturally. You see this pattern especially in areas that neighbor Malsia.

    Since Kosovo , Albania etc was also under Ottoman occupation, the expansion or migration was technically legal. Your logic and reason makes no fucking sense.

    Albania , Kosovo etc was under Serb medieval occupation also.. Malsors could of easily migrated into Kosovo during that time only to end up Serbianised anyway. The migration wouldn't of been illegal. Especially into a neighboring area.

    But I guess its OK for Slavs to expand but not Albanians. As during that time of Dusan you even see an expansion of Serbs into modern Albania itself all the way down to Southern Albania and Macedonia and not just Kosovo.

    Bosnia is a different case as it was never part of Serbia or part of the same kingdom as Serbia until Ottoman occupation. It was an own kingdom since the 10th century.

    Montenegro occupied Northern Malsia from us too which is today Southern Montenegro.

    Technically, the core of an Albanian population prior to Slavic rule lied in Dardania and modern Albania.

    Serbs even made a large population in the plains of Albania during the time of Dusan, going by you peoples logic they also have a right to Albania ... why stop at Kosovo? They expanded into all these areas they occupied which they later lost anyway. They also wanted Albania after independence.

    Their nationalism and terrotorial claims mostly lie on some medieval empire that eventually crumbled.

    Kosovo served as its central and where some myhtified battle was fought but its largest interest for Serbian politicians to want it lies in the mines of Trepca rather than medieval myths.

    They have made the greatest fuss about Kosovo brainwashed by their own media.

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    For example we know that Kosovo wasn't always Serbian. We actually know that the Serbs occupied it from the Bulgarians. And they were at back and forth war with both the Bulgarians and Byzantiums over this area.

    They briefly held it for 200 years and lost it but who is to say the Bulgarians or Byzantium wouldn't of been able to conquer it back if the Ottomans had never invaded the Balkans?

    It wasn't just Albanians or Ottomans that were a threat to a Serbian dominated Kosovo or a greater Serbia. You also had Vlachs and those empires mentioned above.

    Therefor Serbian claim on Kosovo is an absolute lie that makes no sense. Its a bunch of brainwashed chauvunists. Once you understand this you will see what type of people Albanians are dealing with here. Which is exactly why they worked on cleansing Albanians from lands they wanted to create a greater Serbia.

    They will do anything to get rid of any threat of their greater Serbia be it genocide or propaganda. But once they lose they victimize themselves.

    Arguably the most bastard nation there is. No question about this.

    Even Bulgarians briefly wanted Kosovo in 20th century and occupied it.

    Serbian nationalism is one of the greatest threats to the stability of the Balkans. Its based on the terrotorities held by a medieval empire that had obvious competition and collapsed and which has no continuity with modern Serbia. But they are like little children who think everything they touch is theirs.

    You also see a Serbian expansion into plains of Albania, Macedonia etc. But Kosovo they have mythified the most.

    There is no nation that should be able to identify itself with a ancient or medieval empire, especially when there is no continuity.

    Their nationalism and dream of a greater Serbia has been also the cause of many Balkan wars.

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    Somehow ancient Albanians defied the laws of nature and reason. They were simultaneously Dardanians, Albanoi, Dalmatae, Autariatae and all other Illyrian tribes on the peninsula. They also somehow lived in the Triballian lands where Nis (Naissus) was founded. How all of this is possible is beyond me. But it does maintain that whole victim complex they got going on...if they actually chose one of those tribes as their designated ancestor it would make their mantra about how the Slavs genocided their people in the early Middle Ages as well as many of their modern territorial claims pointless. They're ancestors persevered while all the other Illyrians were assimilated, so to appear as the victimized rightful lords of the peninsula they have to claim all the indigenous tribes and peoples for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Somehow ancient Albanians defied the laws of nature and reason. They were simultaneously Dardanians, Albanoi, Dalmatae, Autariatae and all other Illyrian tribes on the peninsula. They also somehow lived in the Triballian lands where Nis (Naissus) was founded. How all of this is possible is beyond me. But it does maintain that whole victim complex they got going on...if they actually chose one of those tribes as their designated ancestor it would make their mantra about how the Slavs genocided their people in the early Middle Ages as well as many of their modern territorial claims pointless. They're ancestors persevered while all the other Illyrians were assimilated, so to appear as the victimized rightful lords of the peninsula they have to claim all the indigenous tribes and peoples for themselves.
    We don't claim all those lands and most Albanians agree our area we originate around Dardania and modern Albania and we most certainly don't originate from one single tribe. That would technically be impossible considering when Balkans was invaded, tribes that seeked refugee into neighboring mountainous areas would of easily fused into eachother. We know Kosovo was depopulated and so was Macedonia. Dardania, Its population seeked refuge into Albania where they fused into some other Ilyrian mountain tribes.

    Victim complexes are the Serbs that display such as most of your modern terrotorial claims make no sense , especially not Kosovo. If you take a look at my above post.

    Albanians only ever claimed areas where they mostly are a majority. How could it possibly not make sense but I forgot I am replying to a Serb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leka View Post
    We don't claim all those lands and most Albanians agree our area we originate around Dardania and modern Albania and we most certainly don't originate from one single tribe. That would technically be impossible.

    Victim complexes are the Serbs that display such as most of your modern terrororial claims make no sense , especially not Kosovo. If you take a look at my above post.

    Albanians only ever claimed areas where they mostly are a majority.
    Dardanians were mixed with Thracians and were quite different from the Illyrians in contemporary Albania. They were also heavily colonised by Romans. You build history based on logical fallacies and then some of you, like Laberia, have the guts to complain about our ethnogenesis. Unreal

    Also, forgot to mention that I agree with you that Montenegrins are absolutely the worst, most primitive and violent part of the Serbian people. They have the same mentality as you do, so it's no surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Somehow ancient Albanians defied the laws of nature and reason. They were simultaneously Dardanians, Albanoi, Dalmatae, Autariatae and all other Illyrian tribes on the peninsula. They also somehow lived in the Triballian lands where Nis (Naissus) was founded. How all of this is possible is beyond me. But it does maintain that whole victim complex they got going on...if they actually chose one of those tribes as their designated ancestor it would make their mantra about how the Slavs genocided their people in the early Middle Ages as well as many of their modern territorial claims pointless. They're ancestors persevered while all the other Illyrians were assimilated, so to appear as the victimized rightful lords of the peninsula they have to claim all the indigenous tribes and peoples for themselves.
    This is literally the most autistically ignorant thing I’ve ever read. Are you saying a nation can’t have descent from more than one tribe? Wow. Looks like Germans don’t have a single drop of Goth blood because Saxons existed.

    And the rest of your babble was just as autistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Dardanians were mixed with Thracians and were quite different from the Illyrians in contemporary Albania. They were also heavily colonised by Romans. You build history based on logical fallacies and then some of you, like Laberia, have the guts to complain about our ethnogenesis. Unreal

    Also, forgot to mention that I agree with you that Montenegrins are absolutely the worst, most primitive and violent part of the Serbian people. They have the same mentality as you do, so it's no surprise.
    We barely know what the difference between Thracians and Illyrians are, and there was no real traceable difference other than linguistic. So how are Dardanians so different from Illyrians? Because they weren’t maritime? And we don’t claim pure Illyrian descent. Albanians have a lot of Thracian and Dacian blood too.

    Also, Montenegrins were the only part of Serbia that was indepebdent under the Turks. You should be thanking them for even holding a piece of your shitty nation as independent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krampus View Post
    This is literally the most autistically ignorant thing I’ve ever read. Are you saying a nation can’t have descent from more than one tribe? Wow. Looks like Germans don’t have a single drop of Goth blood because Saxons existed.

    And the rest of your babble was just as autistic.
    Germans are a modern nation, created under totally different circumstances. If multiple balkan tribes participated in your ethnogenesis, then the strongest of them assimilated the others, just like the Slavic settlers in Albania were assimilated. You still haven't made up your mind which tribe/group that was, Mountain niggers.
    Also, don't place so much importance on blood. We have more native than Slavic blood, but we are still Slavs because of our language, customs and history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krampus View Post
    We barely know what the difference between Thracians and Illyrians are, and there was no real traceable difference other than linguistic. So how are Dardanians so different from Illyrians? Because they weren’t maritime? And we don’t claim pure Illyrian descent. Albanians have a lot of Thracian and Dacian blood too.

    Also, Montenegrins were the only part of Serbia that was indepebdent under the Turks. You should be thanking them for even holding a piece of your shitty nation as independent.
    Of course, you are pan-balkan native sons that were massacred by the barbarian Slavs and the Serbian Orthodox Church, lol.

    And what differences are two people who live on the same peninsula supposed to have other than cultural and linguistical? Romans and Latins were much more closely related to the other Italic tribes than the Illyrians were to the Thracians, yet they were all considered different people.
    Also, Montenegrins were never independent from Turkish rule. That's a complete myth, discarded a long time ago by historiography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonSense View Post
    Of course, you are pan-balkan native sons that were massacred by the barbarian Slavs and the Serbian Orthodox Church, lol.

    And what differences are two people who live on the same peninsula supposed to have other than cultural and linguistical? Romans and Latins were much more closely related to the other Italic tribes than the Illyrians were to the Thracians, yet they were all considered different people.
    Also, Montenegrins were never independent from Turkish rule. That's a complete myth, discarded a long time ago by historiography.
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