Why do people defend Serbs?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Or planes ready to perform airstrikes on soldiers.

The threat of airstrikes wasn't made at the Lisbon agreement. He specifically said he was 'forced' by Serbs and Croats to sign the Lisbon Agreement. You're purposely mixing up the Daytona Agreement years later with the Lisbon Agreement.

You're being deceitful.

It is because according to his own words, he never "persuaded Alija to renounce his signature",
‘Drawing on my instructions to support whatever could be worked out between the European Community and the three Bosnian parties, I encouraged Izetbegovic to stick by what he’d agreed to.’

Um, what? He could say whatever he wants to say in 1996 after the fact. The Bush administration stance was clear.

Next time link what you quote.

From the news article written in 1993 where Zimmerman says in hindsight what would have been better but that they made an error.

Immediately after Mr. Izetbegovic returned from Lisbon, Mr. Zimmermann called on him in Sarajevo. The Bosnian leader complained bitterly that the European Community and Bosnian Serbs and Croats had pressured him to accept partition.

"He said he didn't like it," Mr. Zimmermann recalled. "I told him, if he didn't like it, why sign it?"

In retrospect, Mr. Zimmermann said in a recent interview, "the Lisbon agreement wasn't bad at all."

But after talking to the Ambassador, Mr. Izetbegovic publicly renounced the Lisbon agreement.

And here is the checkmate.

The Bush Administration pushed ahead with its plan for recognition.

"The policy was to encourage Izetbegovic to break with the partition plan," said a high-ranking State Department official who asked not to be identified. "It was not committed to paper. We let it be known we would support his Government in the United Nations if they got into trouble. But there were no guarantees, because Baker didn't believe it would happen."

Oh give me a break.

We're dealing with hard facts, are we not?

We not only would have lost US support we would have faced US airstrikes, as I said.

I'm not discussing this subject with you further. You don't address what I say specifically and you have been caught being deceptive. I don't waste my time with people who are deceptive.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

How many Russians and Americans have been tried in Nuremberg court for crimes against German civilians ? Zero.

There is no splitting the gulit between agressors and victims.

Yes. But justice is satisfied. Some people here want more, and more. Never satisfied.

[Bari]

Aren't you the guy who thinks Sweden would be better off under Islam and was on welfare?

Thats right. Whats Your point, Frankie?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Modern Bosniaks (who are acting innocence) forget that their ancestors were the part of brutal Ottoman regime, who
enjoyed all privileges while Orthodoxes had 2nd grate status.

You can't enjoy being "rulling party" for 300-500 years then cry when Orthodox took their revenge by saying "They
are evil, they did that and that"

Just to confirm that, let's look at this picture (First Orthodox Uprising)

Almost all Ottoman Commanders and soldiers were Serbians and Albanians





For example: 1. Sulejman Paša Skopljak (Serbian, Vizier of Belgrade in Sanjak of Smederevo)
2. Hursid Ahmed Paša (Georgian, Grand Vizier of Ottoman Empire)
3. Bekir Paša (Serbian, served in Bosnia)
4. Sinan Paša Sijerčić (Serbian, Ottoman General)
5. Osman Gradaščević (Serbian, Ottoman Captain)
6. Mehmed Beg Kulenović (Serbian, My Neighbour, commanded Ottoman Cavalry)
7. Ibrahim Paša (Ibrahim Bushati - Albanian Commander)
8. Veli Pasa (Greek from Epirus)



I don't know why are muslims ashamed of this?

They just need to accept the fact: It was good while it lasted, now we are Slaves just like Orthodoxes were..

Fortune went in favor of Orthodoxes.... and please don't cry to world to help you..

There is something called "honor". That's why i am ashamed of these people.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Thats right. Whats Your point, Frankie?

We don't need Serb propaganda to realize there is a problem with Muslims living in Sweden.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

There is something called "honor". That's why i am ashamed of these people.

They did what people always do throughout history. They look for opportunities for themselves. If lets say the Ottoman Empire hadn't collapsed and the entire Balkans was with the Ottoman political sphere you might have viewed those same men as heroes instead because the political climate would have been totally different.

[Bari]

We don't need Serb propaganda to realize there is a problem with Muslims living in Sweden.

There are no problems with Muslims living in Sweden. I speak for myself only, most tend to disagree with that and prefer secularism and
democracy even if it is against Islam. Most Albanians are not religious, as much as I would like it to be otherwise its not.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

There are no problems with Muslims living in Sweden. I speak for myself only, most tend to disagree with that and prefer secularism and
democracy even if it is against Islam. Most Albanians are not religious, as much as I would like it to be otherwise its not.

There is quite a lot of problems with Muslims living in Sweden. Higher rates of welfare. Higher rates of crime.

This shouldn't be shocking news to anyone.

[Bosniensis]

There is something called "honor". That's why i am ashamed of these people.

You have nothing to be ashamed Ottomans WERE Serbs, Greeks, Anatolians and Turks

Your family aligned with ottomans just like hundreds of thousands other people.

Orthodox People won Because of Russia nothing else.

Ottoman Empire was here 500 years not 5 years of course many people considered it as their own


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[Vlatko Vukovic]

Your family aligned with ottomans just like hundreds of thousands other people.

They aligned to save their lifes.