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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanas Django View Post
    Could you link us to the Circassian story of Pirmenoghuz who stole fire from the gods?


    The Nart sagas are to the Caucasus what Greek mythology is to Western civilization. This book presents, for the first time in the West, a wide selection of these fascinating myths preserved among four related peoples whose ancient cultures today survive by a thread.

    In ninety-two straightforward tales populated by extraordinary characters and exploits, by giants who humble haughty Narts, by horses and sorceresses, Nart Sagas from the Caucasus brings these cultures to life in a powerful epos.


    In these colorful tales, women, not least the beautiful temptress Satanaya, the mother of all Narts, are not only fertility figures but also pillars of authority and wisdom. In one variation on a recurring theme, a shepherd, overcome with passion on observing Satanaya bathing alone, shoots a "bolt of lust" that strikes a rock--a rock that gives birth to the Achilles-like Sawseruquo, or Sosruquo. With steely skin but tender knees, Sawseruquo is a man the Narts come to love and hate.


    Despite a tragic history, the Circassians, Abazas, Abkhaz, and Ubykhs have retained the Nart sagas as a living tradition. The memory of their elaborate warrior culture, so richly expressed by these tales, helped them resist Tsarist imperialism in the nineteenth century, Stalinist suppression in the twentieth, and has bolstered their ongoing cultural journey into the post-Soviet future.


    Because these peoples were at the crossroads of Eurasia for millennia, their myths exhibit striking parallels with the lore of ancient India, classical Greece, and pagan Scandinavia. The Nart sagas may also have formed a crucial component of the Arthurian cycle. Notes after each tale reveal these parallels; an appendix offers extensive linguistic commentary. With this book, no longer will the analysis of ancient Eurasian myth be possible without a close look at the Nart sagas. And no longer will the lover of myth be satisfied without the pleasure of having read them.



    Excerpts from the Nart sagas
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    "The Narts were a tribe of heroes. They were huge, tall people, and their horses were also exuberant Alyps or Durduls. They were wealthy, and they also had a state. That is how the Narts lived their lives. . . ."


    "The Narts were courageous, energetic, bold, and good-hearted. Thus they lived until God sent down a small swallow. . . ."


    "The Narts were very cruel to one another. They were envious of one another. They disputed among themselves over who was the most courageous. But most of all they hated Sosruquo. . . . A rock gave birth to him. He is the son of a rock, illegally born a mere shepherd's son. . . ."




    TURKIC TRINITY GOD: "BIR-O, METE, OGUZ" SO-CALLED "PROMETHEUS"

    The so-called Greek name "PROMETHEUS" is in fact the anagrammatized name of the ancient Turanian trinity SKY-GOD, in the form of "BIR-O-METE-OGUS".

    Thus the etymology of the name PROMETHEUS is Turkic based: PROMETHEUS < "PR-O-METH-EUS" < Tr. "PiR-O-METHe-EUS" (BIR-O, METE, OUS/OGUS) meaning "One-He (Father Sky-God), Mete (Ay-Tanri) and Ogus (Gün-Tanri)", thus naming the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God "ONE SKY-FATHER-GOD / MOON-GOD / SUN-GOD.

    Evidently, the KARA-HAN-US (CRONUS < > CR-ON-US) believing ancient Greeks have not been candid about their activities with respect to the ancient Tur/Turk culture and religion that they lived, enjoyed and cherished for a long time in the past and even at present.

    Cronus believing Greeks and their kins have been very secretive and untruthful about all the things that they abducted from ancient and modern Turs/Turks and claimed as their own.

    The "original sin" must not have been the taking of the "apple" by Eve, but rather the usurpation of the ancient Tur/Turk peoples' Sky-God religion, language and civilization.

    In order to cover up this initial "sin", additional deceptions were piled up on the top of the original deception.

    Now that we know the identity of the so-called "PROMETHEUS" (composed at about 463 B.C), the next time one reads the famed play "PROMETHEUS BOUND"[20] by equally famed AESCHYLUS, we will know the identity of the main character of the play as the ancient Turkic trinity Sky-God.

    Of course, not only Prometheus was anagrammatized, but also the ancient God of Fire HEPHAUSTUS (again from Turkish HEP-aHa-AUS-aTa-US" meaning: a) "Lord of everything, the Wise Father OGUZ (Sun-God), that is, "Ogus-Ata-Us," and b) also by way of pun in Turkish, "The Lord Mouth (AUS/AGUS/AGUZ), the sayer of everything said and/or made up".

    Of course the name of AESCHYLUS is also anagrammatized from Turkish: AESCHYLUS < "AES-CH-YLU-S" < Turkish "AES-eCHe-ULU-aS" (AYAS-EÇE-ULU-AS/BIR/ESSIZ) meaning "Great father Moon is the great One" and also "Great father Moon is Spotted (ALA in Turkish) One".

    Thus the Turkic phrase chosen as a name for himself describes not only the ancient Turanian "Moon-God" (AY-AS) but also Aeschylus himself as being such an exalted person (in name).

    In the play "PROMETHEUS BOUND", all other character names are also anagrammatized Turkic phrases personifying the ancient personalities of the ancient Turkic Sky-God religion. The play "Prometheus Bound" is one of the forerunning preparations, in addition to the "Old Testament" that prepared the road, not only for the dethronement of the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God religion represented with the names Tanri, Oguz, Mete, Bir-O, PER-O (the name of the Pharaohs of the so-called ancient "Egyptians" (Masarians)), but also for the usurpation of the ancient Turkic Sky-God religion and also everything else Turkic and Turanian including the Turkic language under disguised names.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrussell View Post


    The Nart sagas are to the Caucasus what Greek mythology is to Western civilization. This book presents, for the first time in the West, a wide selection of these fascinating myths preserved among four related peoples whose ancient cultures today survive by a thread.

    In ninety-two straightforward tales populated by extraordinary characters and exploits, by giants who humble haughty Narts, by horses and sorceresses, Nart Sagas from the Caucasus brings these cultures to life in a powerful epos.


    In these colorful tales, women, not least the beautiful temptress Satanaya, the mother of all Narts, are not only fertility figures but also pillars of authority and wisdom. In one variation on a recurring theme, a shepherd, overcome with passion on observing Satanaya bathing alone, shoots a "bolt of lust" that strikes a rock--a rock that gives birth to the Achilles-like Sawseruquo, or Sosruquo. With steely skin but tender knees, Sawseruquo is a man the Narts come to love and hate.


    Despite a tragic history, the Circassians, Abazas, Abkhaz, and Ubykhs have retained the Nart sagas as a living tradition. The memory of their elaborate warrior culture, so richly expressed by these tales, helped them resist Tsarist imperialism in the nineteenth century, Stalinist suppression in the twentieth, and has bolstered their ongoing cultural journey into the post-Soviet future.


    Because these peoples were at the crossroads of Eurasia for millennia, their myths exhibit striking parallels with the lore of ancient India, classical Greece, and pagan Scandinavia. The Nart sagas may also have formed a crucial component of the Arthurian cycle. Notes after each tale reveal these parallels; an appendix offers extensive linguistic commentary. With this book, no longer will the analysis of ancient Eurasian myth be possible without a close look at the Nart sagas. And no longer will the lover of myth be satisfied without the pleasure of having read them.



    Excerpts from the Nart sagas
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    "The Narts were a tribe of heroes. They were huge, tall people, and their horses were also exuberant Alyps or Durduls. They were wealthy, and they also had a state. That is how the Narts lived their lives. . . ."


    "The Narts were courageous, energetic, bold, and good-hearted. Thus they lived until God sent down a small swallow. . . ."


    "The Narts were very cruel to one another. They were envious of one another. They disputed among themselves over who was the most courageous. But most of all they hated Sosruquo. . . . A rock gave birth to him. He is the son of a rock, illegally born a mere shepherd's son. . . ."




    TURKIC TRINITY GOD: "BIR-O, METE, OGUZ" SO-CALLED "PROMETHEUS"

    The so-called Greek name "PROMETHEUS" is in fact the anagrammatized name of the ancient Turanian trinity SKY-GOD, in the form of "BIR-O-METE-OGUS".

    Thus the etymology of the name PROMETHEUS is Turkic based: PROMETHEUS < "PR-O-METH-EUS" < Tr. "PiR-O-METHe-EUS" (BIR-O, METE, OUS/OGUS) meaning "One-He (Father Sky-God), Mete (Ay-Tanri) and Ogus (Gün-Tanri)", thus naming the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God "ONE SKY-FATHER-GOD / MOON-GOD / SUN-GOD.

    Evidently, the KARA-HAN-US (CRONUS < > CR-ON-US) believing ancient Greeks have not been candid about their activities with respect to the ancient Tur/Turk culture and religion that they lived, enjoyed and cherished for a long time in the past and even at present.

    Cronus believing Greeks and their kins have been very secretive and untruthful about all the things that they abducted from ancient and modern Turs/Turks and claimed as their own.

    The "original sin" must not have been the taking of the "apple" by Eve, but rather the usurpation of the ancient Tur/Turk peoples' Sky-God religion, language and civilization.

    In order to cover up this initial "sin", additional deceptions were piled up on the top of the original deception.

    Now that we know the identity of the so-called "PROMETHEUS" (composed at about 463 B.C), the next time one reads the famed play "PROMETHEUS BOUND"[20] by equally famed AESCHYLUS, we will know the identity of the main character of the play as the ancient Turkic trinity Sky-God.

    Of course, not only Prometheus was anagrammatized, but also the ancient God of Fire HEPHAUSTUS (again from Turkish HEP-aHa-AUS-aTa-US" meaning: a) "Lord of everything, the Wise Father OGUZ (Sun-God), that is, "Ogus-Ata-Us," and b) also by way of pun in Turkish, "The Lord Mouth (AUS/AGUS/AGUZ), the sayer of everything said and/or made up".

    Of course the name of AESCHYLUS is also anagrammatized from Turkish: AESCHYLUS < "AES-CH-YLU-S" < Turkish "AES-eCHe-ULU-aS" (AYAS-EÇE-ULU-AS/BIR/ESSIZ) meaning "Great father Moon is the great One" and also "Great father Moon is Spotted (ALA in Turkish) One".

    Thus the Turkic phrase chosen as a name for himself describes not only the ancient Turanian "Moon-God" (AY-AS) but also Aeschylus himself as being such an exalted person (in name).

    In the play "PROMETHEUS BOUND", all other character names are also anagrammatized Turkic phrases personifying the ancient personalities of the ancient Turkic Sky-God religion. The play "Prometheus Bound" is one of the forerunning preparations, in addition to the "Old Testament" that prepared the road, not only for the dethronement of the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God religion represented with the names Tanri, Oguz, Mete, Bir-O, PER-O (the name of the Pharaohs of the so-called ancient "Egyptians" (Masarians)), but also for the usurpation of the ancient Turkic Sky-God religion and also everything else Turkic and Turanian including the Turkic language under disguised names.


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    Some Turkic groups like The barbaric Black Sheep and White Sheep, Safavid, and Afsharids were genetically Persian. However the ones in Anatolia are no doubt mostly just Turkized Anatolians this why they appear close to Armenians who are the best proxy for Anatolians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanas Django View Post
    native Anatolians are still not the descendants of modern Turks.
    OP language skills are terrible: The People of Anatolia aren't descended from modern day Turks. The Turks arrived in the 11th Century; so, there are some modern day Turks whom are descended from the indigenous people of Anatolia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    language skills are terrible
    Terrible butchering of the English language seems to be a daily occurrence on this forum.

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    Is the old Testament also turkic in origin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanas Django View Post
    Is the old Testament also turkic in origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrussell View Post
    Of course Turks lived in Roman Empire .

    Question I have for you is : Do you believe that Europeans would speak the truth about Turks ?
    Yet another conspiracy theory... Please elaborate.

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    Sure, my friend. A lot of genes among Turks of today came from native Anatolians!

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